Hit and Runs

I was wondering how everyone feels about Hit and Runs at cash games. I guess it is more likely to happen on the internet than it is in Live cash games.
I know recently when I have sat down at a cash table that I have been tempted to leave the table after I have increased my buyin 25%, which usually happens the first 5 mins or so after I have sat in. I end up sticking around longer than I should and lose that profit plus 25% more than I started with.
Do you have a problem with hit and runs and why?

While this can be annoying if someone takes a large chunk of your stack and leaves without you getting a chance to get it back from them I don't worry about it much. Of course I am reffering to internet play only as I don't think the regulars at the casino would like it if you left right after winning a huge hand. In home games I play there is a set end time and everyone has to stay until then so that we don't have this problem.

I was actually thinking about this the other day and wondering if I should do it sometimes. Most of the time when I join a table I up my stack by about %30 in the first 10 minutes and then grind, grind, grind. Sometimes I double my stack sometimes I lose some of my inital increase. I don't think it is a good strategy but if anyone knows different please enlighten me.

If I win a HUGE pot, usually what I do is leave the table and out some of the money I won in my bankroll. Then, re-enter the table with the same amount I started. For example, If I start with $20 in a .25/.50 cash ring table and won a pot which netted me a profit of say $30. I'll leave the table and reenter with $20. That way if I lose this $20, I still have that profit so I'm still ahead,

Hit and Runs on tables should not be problem or issue for anyone. Whether it is a live game or online you shouldnt have to have an excuse or reason for others when you leave a table. Online it is done more frequently because of how easy it is to enter another game or already be involved in another game, where as in B&M games you probably have to wait for a while to get another seat. As far as t1riel's stratetgy, that is called going south. This is very unethical thing to do at the table(especially in B&M casinos. If you are going to take money off the table let it be all of it or none. I dont mean offence to you t1riel, but that is the way I feel and so do a lot of others.

I have no problem with this at all. There has been a few times I have sat down with $10 at .10/.25 and within the first 5 or 6 hands I am over $25. At that point I pick up and move on to another table. In one session I played 4 tables like this in less than 1/2 hour and then I quit for the day.

I find that if I stick around and play after doubling up that quick the table tightens up too much and it's just not as profitable anymore.

I dont recall every playing at a site that allows you to do this. I have always been forced to sit back down at the table with at least the amount I left with. Which site do you play at that allows you to re-enter the game right away with less than you left with?

I used to do this but now i try more to hang around and build even more.

After all you have just had some luck, stay and try to make the most of it, if you leave you could hit a bad spot next time you "sit-down" and then you'll wish you stayed where you were.

As Howard Lederer says "if your having good luck, that could mean someone is having bad luck, make the mostof it"

Enjoy and Peace

IanT

If a guy is doing this, it means that he just won a big pot from someone, and is either too scared to play at the table, or maybe he decided to take a shot with all his BR at a limit and left when he doubled up

I dunno - i guess it would piss me off if someone did this to me, but it's their decision as to whether they want to stay or leave.
If it was live, and a guy put a beat on me then just booked, i'd probably be pretty pissed and hunt him down

I don't understand the reasoning behind this.
If you are making a good profit like that, then that means that you are at a good table.
When i'm at a good table (weak players/loose maniacs - whatever) i bring as much as I can, because i want to win the most possible in a pot when i've got a big hand.

You said that you don't want to lose the profit you just made, but if there's someone with a stack as big or bigger than yours, don't you want to make as much as possible too? I mean if you are making a $30 profit on a hand when you only have $20 at a table, then the table's pretty damn profitable. I realize that your example was just for illustration, but even $5 profit or $10 would show how weak the table is.
The fact that you say that you don't want to lose those profits implies that you are maybe a lesser player than the rest of the table? If so, you shouldn't be playing at those limits! (that is IF you're playing for profits; and i don't think you're playing .25/.50 for practice)

I don't do it, and I hate it when it happens to me to be honest.
It just happened to me yesterday as a matter of fact. I had doubled my buy-in of $10 to $22. A guy sat down with $5 and proceeded to go all-in his first hand. Everyone folded to me and looking down at pp 4's, I thought about it for as long as the timer would give me. I've seen SO many idiots try this against a bigger stack that I called. Turns out it was the right call, just the wrong result....he flipped A/10 over and caught 10/10/x on the flop and won with trips.
O.k. no biggie, I was happy with the call and was just waiting to get my chips back from this guy......of course he proceeded to leave the table without seeing another hand. That just pissed me off!!! I know it shouldn't but still, do people do this as their standard play? 1 hand win-or-lose?
I think it's bad sportsmanship.

I don't think any sites allow this at the no-limit/pot-limit games, but I think you're allowed to do this in fixed-limit games.


I don't really care if people leave or stay when they win a big pot, cause I'm not playing against that player. I'm playing against the whole table, and the money I just lost, isn't mine anymore. Trying to get "my" money back would probably just result in playing against that player instead of playing against everybody at the table. If I'm moving up in limits and win a big pot early, I will just wait for my blind and cash out, so I do it once in a while to.

A few thoughts....

Osmann, I believe you can leave a NL or PL table at Party Poker and re-enter with the minimum amount. I tried this at Titan and quickly found out that you have to re-enter with what you left off with.

Chuck, you bring up an interesting point which I believe has been discussed before. If you follow the Chris Ferguson theory of BR management, then you would do exactly what T1riel does. Double your cash and then find another table. I believe you then start over with 5% of your BR plus 10% of your winnings if you follow Ferguson's strategy. However, I think your viewpoint is why bail on a good table. You have a winning image that you can take advantage of....plus you could possibly have a bunch of fish to really up your BR on.

I sort of take the middle ground on this. I used to do exactly what T1riel did....until I read Chuck's point of view. What I do (assuming I double up) is put a loss limit on myself. If I put down $10 to start and get up to $20, I'll keep going but once I drop under 17.50 I'll take my profits and run. This allows me to secure a solid gain from the table while allowing myself the chance to increase my gain based on my current table image.

As for the original question....I don't really care if people double up and run. Like someone said in this thread, you're taking on a table not one person. I think the only exception would be if a bad player got lucky and then bailed. But that's mostly because I just lost a chance to profit on a fish....

I myself don't mind if someone does this. I know it may bother me at the time if someone nearly wiped my buyin out and then left. I think I would be more pissed at myself than anyone else if that were to happen.
But like someone said earlier in this thread, once it's out of my stack and into the pot it isn't mine anymore unless I win that pot.

My biggest problem is getting away with my profit when I do win a few pots.

Another few questions:
If you don't agree with the Hit and Run, if you hit a few nice pots and are making a profit. If and when you start losing when is the best time to leave?

Do you grind it out, hoping you make back that loss or do you leave while the getting is good? I guess what I am saying is, 5 or 10 mins is a short time to stay after hitting a few good ones. But if you are still in the profit zone would or could you comfortably leave after say 20-30 mins?

I don't think its good table 'etiquette' but I've done it many times..Especially if I've been losing at this table and FINALLY take a substantial pot...netting me my losses back AND a good profit to boot,yep,I'm probably out of there with my chips and tail between my legs...lol