heads up and cheating

hi all,
just been reading about collusion and cheating in online poker.
it seems to me, if you are going to play for money, then
heads up seems to be the 'safest' game to play.
i can't think of any way to cheat playing heads up unless
you are playing against a pokerbot.
any more than two players and collusion is possible.
are there any 'known' ways of cheating at heads up ?

3 words: Jose “Girah” Macedo

OK, aside from letting someone you don't know/trust extremely well, there isn't much of a way to cheat in online HU poker




(unless they hack your computer, lol)

Interesting and very good idea. Of course, cheating is always a possibility, opponent and poker room. I always thought that large MTT's were a good bet. The colluders would have to end up at the same table to cheat.

There 'may' be a story on UB and Absolute Poker as well. 2 of the dirtiest words in poker in my opinion.

sharing hand history would be one way to collude

large mtts? good point tonawanda...so for cash how about rush poker?

Does not exist.

lol true

seriously... you wouldn't want to play a bot hu? Think about it??
'Colluders' in the typical sense of the meaning, however there's been many documented cases of online rings where players will pass their tourney off to a better player once they're deep in it.

Personally I don't worry about it much at all. Sure if I see some stuff that seems suspect I'll check into it (& of course if it's blatant I'll contact support). Have had a few situations in STT/SNG where players were obviously colluding & support took care of it. Typically though it rarely ever crosses my mind while playing (maybe once or twice a yr.?)

Moving to HU sng or HU cash would not be a choice I'd be making based on fear of colluders. I'd only be playing those formats if it was what I desired to play.

I'm afraid to play HU, I might start colluding and tell the guy what I have...

colluding on Facebook poker.

meh, no one cares about Facebook poker.

This should read " no cares about FaceBook ".......at least I don't.

Very true

funny video lol

ha ha ha.. Awesome vid.!!!! Love it! tks for posting
|mute ricardo
mute
mute
A9
I've got 3-of-a-kind!!!!

priceless

i have seen it happen, chip dumping heads up before over at poker view
i saw this happen
player one: rasies 3x
player 2 : reraises all chip except for .01
players 1: reraises more
player 2 : folds
then they move to a new table and do the same thing
to make the story short i reported them and have not seen then since online

aside from letting someone you don't know/trust extremely well do what?

Why? I mean if they're playing HU cash table & obviously to transfer $'s to other's acc't.,.... who cares? Why report them?
I realize it's against TOS but who does it harm? (hence > why report them?)

Sweat you

I don't give a crap about facebook poker but that's funny

"Oh.. there's a new player.. 'mute' 'mute' 'mute'!!!" this was soooooo good!!
mute ricardo.. mute mute!!!

That is why I love the pokerstars heads up 2.20 game, just dont see how someone is going to cheat heads up, of course it was like the other guy said, UB poker or absolute.

Huh? Does this insinuate that we need to do stuff in other tournaments?

Doubt you watched the vid. above from the poster who made a reference to Facebook poker. It's actually pretty funny. "mute.. mute.. mute!!!"

Transferring Money from player to player - I don't think that's Collusion either ....
Against Poker Sites Rules, but not collusion IMO.

+1

Why Report that that has no negative effect on another player?

It isn't collusion, but I understand and think it should be reported. Stuff like that happening is one of the reasons why legalization of poker in countries such as the US is even in question. Why would you have to dump money like that instead of just transferring it(granted I know some sites do not transfer)? Why would you want to lose the amount in rake? Why go through the trouble? Because there is something fishy about it. They want it to look like they won the money and that it wasn't just given to them, otherwise they would have just transferred it.

That's actually not correct. I've read about quite a few (& seen some as well) where the two players make no effort to make it 'look like' anything but what it actually is. How about they weren't able to transfer it?

"why would they want to pay that amount in rake?"
Pretty sure it's insignificant amount.

The only logical reason would be that they couldn't transfer it as I know some sites do not allow player to player transfers. But I have seen personally, and also on numerous threads in the past, about people chip dumping HU to obviously transfer the $$$ on sites that are extremely easy to transfer to another player, most notably FTP and Stars. In that case, it screams that something fishy is going on. Come on, I know you of all people know how easy it was to transfer on Stars and FTP

Agreed, insignificant amount, but the question still just comes up as "Why?" if they were able to transfer P2P? Would you go to an ATM that charged you a $3 fee if you knew that right next to it there was an ATM that had no fee?

Well it is what it is.

HU dumping has always been a quick method to transfer funds for some players. The site wins because they make Rake, other players aren't effected in a negative way and the players win because some prefer and trust this method over transfers. It's a Win Win so Dump Dump - if you wish ....

lol
Well unless it effects the possible legalization of poker in the US.
Then PLEASE NO Dumping.
Dump Free Zone.

Either way I can see both sides to it and neither promote it or chastise it at the moment.

I'm not a hundred percent shure ont his but on Carbon Poker, in the real money heads up games you have to be very careful, im pretty sure 80 percent are poker bots or cheating some how. they are all from the UK ( no offense) and its the same guys, and they arent losing ever.. i feel bad for the ppl that get fished into playing them. Try to stick to Us players on tehre and you should be ok..

TTYL

Why would it be difficult to play a bot HU? (esp. 'cash table' HU). As long as it's not programmed to hit & run lol.
How do you arrive at 80%.... & 80% of what? This 80% of whatever sample size it is you're speaking of, also 'never' loses? That sounds kinda unbelievable.

I don't think I'd feel bad for someone who was playing HU cash vs. a bot. I think I'd feel sorry for them if they couldn't beat a bot in HU cash & are actually a HU cash player.

lol, no kidding. A bot should be extremely easy to beat HU because they are pretty much the definition of predictable. The only way you're going to be having problems is if you are terrible HU.

Also, I kind of doubt that there is a huge bot ring going on at the HU games on Merge(granted, I do not play them, so I can't say this for 100%). HU games would be about the worst games to try to make a profit with a bot with anyways because:
1. They aren't as popular as FR or 6m
2. You'd have to play more to gain more(problem when there aren't as many running)
3. Because the bot is the sole opponent, it is going to be much more noticeable as being suspicious than if in a FR or 6m room where there are others to concentrate on as well.

ah gotcha, was honestly interested in what u were trying to say and couldn't figure it out

I'm kinda wondering something... what happens when one of the bots plays a bot? Who wins... & how often? (is it like 50/50... or 80/20 still.. if they've got a better bot). What if the bots are the same? What if the same person has more than one bot on the site & they keep on regg'ing for games with each other? (doesn't the bot owner take a beating in rake?). Do they just sitout & refuse to play vs. their fellow bots? Does the bot know if their opponent's a bot? I wonder if some of the bots in their stables are way bigger winners than others?