Have your ever committed collusion?

Come on, be honest! Have you ever committed collusion?

Umm, no.

Who needs to collude when there are so many donks about just itching to give you money anyway?

Never.

Never have, never will.

Besides, anyone who cheats playing poker surely will never admit to it here. I know I wouldn't want to play at the same person who confesses to collusion.

edit: would we allow someone to participate in the CC events if they freely admit they have a history of colluding??

A cheat and a liar is as bad as a thief, IMO. So no, I've never colluded.

Plenty of chances. But never.

I've talked about a hand with another player at the table once or twice but the other player was already out of the hand. It was more showing off than collusion because there wasnt any advice given. I only remember winning one of those hands without a shwdown and I believe that I showed anyway.

What do you consider collusion?

I never have T! And I never will!!!!

I played a single table SnG once with Jesus Lederer and Tenbob. We came in 1,2 and 3. It wasn't collusion but we did seem to have a tendency to keep out of eachothers way. If either one of them bet strong I'd generally let the hand go unless I had a real monster. When I did, my reraise was usually understood by them to mean what I intended it to mean. I think this was less collusion than the ultimate read on another player.

No, Dont need to, i`m just Tooooooooooo Good>>>>>>>>>>lol,, buck

I colluded with JL in the team event we held

Have you?

I mostly play private tournaments where everyone know each other. I have on occasion warned innocent bystanders to fold when I read a strong hand, but they seldom listen.

Also, I don't know if this counts as collusion or not - but If I am puzzled by a strong player, I'll often quiz my friends to find out what they know about him.

Lastly, If it is a private TEAM league - I would think collusion to be an acceptable tactic. Fortunately there are really very few players who are talented enough to use collusion effectively.

Anyone caught colluding in a public game should (and often do) have their accounts revoked and their funds distributed to the victimized players. It is cheating plain and simple.

never have and never will, why should I resort to such a low tactic when I could win fairly and feel good about the win.

besides the team event nope i play low limits besides when im drunk and think im the best (which is when i usually lose a nice chunk of my bankroll....havent done this in a while since i lost alotta money one night so that good lol) so i really dont have much to win if i did cheat not that i would

Websters Definition of collusion is : secret agreement for an illegal or deceitful purpose.

It was agreed upon and encouraged by ROB that we use collusion, ie... chipdumping! So being it was agreed upon it wasn't illegal! So the Team event was NOT collusion!

lol
I still remember that in that event i made my biggest laydown ever: I folded quad 8s.

I kept away from strong bets just because i´m weak tight.

I've checked down to eliminate a player before. This isn't consider collusion in itself but if someone tells you to do it then it is collusion. On one ocasion a guy told me to check it down when it was clearly the right move(and what I was going to do anyway) so we checkd, he won, and we were in the money. Am I guilty?

Well I'm your one vote to Yes I guess. I'm ashamed to admit it but you asked for honesty.

About 3-4 Years ago when Tiger Gaming was young and I first came online, to learn the game, I sat at the play money tables. I was also learning how to use the computer at the time. I met people from all over the world and I was on top of it. There was this one guy I became buddies with he gave me his email address and added me as contact on Messenger. We knew what each other had at all times. Not proud of it today, and I swear I always believe like one of you said, I can't stand a cheat and a liar. That is one of my biggest motto's. I got swooped up in the whole situation, it lasted for about a week and I've never been back to the site since and my First Real Money deposit was at another site. I've never talked to this person since. You can't feel good about yourself doing crap like that. It's nice to have good wholesome friends, which this site has to offer. You know the old saying don't burn your bridges.

YOU SAID BE HONEST1111

]Websters Definition of collusion is : secret agreement for an illegal or deceitful purpose. Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over & over & expecting different results. Every time I sit down at a card table with Zinzan I lose, he wins. Am I involved in a collusion so secret that even I don't know it or am I just a nut job?

kinda was playing with my dad and he was on last of bankroll in sng and ifolded aces when he went all in so he could make the cash. not really collusion more selective folding

Sounds like a massive rationalization to me. It may not have been outright collusion, but you were definitely soft playing him because it was dad, on the last of his bankroll.

I guess I'm a thief and a bad person, because yes I have. I don't know if this makes it any better, but it was a while ago, and haven't done it since. I wouldn't do it again either-I've changed my colluding ways!

I am the third yes I believe. In my defense though I did not consider it cheating because I was new to poker and didn't think playing soft against my younger brother was cheating. Since reading a few poker books and being a member of this forum I have come to understand the true meaning of collusion and will admit I did.

Now I dont let up on my brother and I actually won over a $100 dollar pot off of him on one hand a couple of days ago.

So yes I did cheat and I am not proud of it but I do have a small excuse!

Jonathon

NO.... and thanks for the definitition.
Why collude when it is not required?

Was there an agreement he would do this, and his dad would visa versa?

Im allowed to fold a hand to someone to let them take the pot without it being secretive (not that I would even for my own dad, im a shark (edit see below for the one exception I could think of )

In my home poker games we are all friends. One guy always had HORRIBLE luck. This was a friendly game where buyin was $5, and only a few reloads are ever needed each night (usually by this unlucky guy)

He is a good player, but would keep running into trips with two pair, full hous vs flush, etc..

So he went all in once, and I had the nuts, I folded. It was just money between him and I, he could have re-bought for like $20 if he wanted to, so me giving him the $9 pot didnt hurt anyone else. (edit I have a chart somewhere, I was up like 150 on our games, while everyone else was below or just above even)

I dont consider that collusion because we never had a secret agreement and it definitely wasnt for an illegal purpose... as far as being deceitful... didnt seem that bad


Edit: Oh and if you tell the third person in on an all in to check it down, that is not very secret.... if you talked with him before the game and said, anytime someone is all in, check it down, then that would be collusion in my opinion.
As far as I've noticed, unless there is a lot of money in a side pot, or someone hits the nuts, most people check down, though Ive knocked two people out at once before when the side pot had enough to warrant some action and some guy tried to steal it instead of checking down.

Soft playing a friend for relative is unethical at a minimum. Pregame agreement is irrelevant.

For example...say I'm in a tourney with three people left, my friend is all in, I have him covered, and I have the absolute nuts. If I call his all in I will bust him. But he's my friend and I don't know this other guy. I'd rather give my friend a fighting chance and I fold. That is unethical. It doesn't matter if we talked before hand or not. Conspiracy does not always require that the right hand know what the left hand is doing. By making that play, I have affected that third player (whether he knows it or not) by taking away a guaranteed top two finish when I soft played the nuts and folded for my friend. This is why you always hear the statement that there are no friends at the poker table. This situation could also be construed as chip dumping if someone were to request seeing both hands. That could get you tossed without any profit if you were in the money. So is it really worth it? Play your game the same way you would against any opponent. It's that simple.

I guess my problem is, I don't see why it isn't my right to softplay who I want to. To fold what hands I want to, and to bet what hands I want to IF and only if we are talking about cash games... It is my money Im handing over.

Collusion in my mind implies working with/together. If the second party poker is none the wiser, I dont see how that could be considered collusion.If there is no agreement, no reciprocation, and no give and take going on, it is just one person with their own agenda...

Maybe in a tournament this person isnt even my friend, but I want to keep them in because they are the easier player and Im hoping they will get lucky against the other guy and I will have an easy heads up.

I just find there to be too many "what if" scenarios when trying to judge someones fold to say that soft playing/playing a hand in any other way than to win it is collusion.

Gotta look at the big picture, not just the one hand.

A long ago forum challenge was set up to play "team" v's "team".....Now ahead of time,my team set up some ground rules to help us from eliminating each other too soon..Now this didn't apply when we were heads up or at final table...Anyway,for instance,say myself,another team member and a member from a "rival" forum were in a hand together...To keep from taking your team member out while trying to take the pot from an opposing player we had agreed that if a raise was made the other person would re-raise or another pre-arranged "sign",signifying that I should fold because he definately had the hand etc etc....Now is that considered collusion??...Premeditation?..If so,I guess I too am guilty.