have you used the function in the ft before?

it is discuss the deal,when you at the final table and is one of the top 3 or 4 players,it can be used,have you used it before?what all of you think about the function and when to use it is the best?

Only once- in a CC freeroll. We were down to 8 and the whole table was in-all but me. So I went ahead and agreed. If it had been a regular tourney I wouldn't have considered it.

Umm.. you wouldn't consider it in a reg. tourney? Why? Is it because you have a big edge HU?

I've used it quite a few times (as has my g/f). I think there's alot of times when you'd want to consider using the 'deal' feature.
sidenote... it's an awesome feature as you can go by ICM right there for ya..... OR you can adjust the numbers to who you'd like it to be. How can you beat that?

I've even used it for SNG play. Sometimes in a SNG (even an STT)... the bubble will go for a very long time & blinds GET HUGE!!! By the time you get to HeadsUP, when you're both on ~10bb (300/600, even 250/500), if you're both good players (ie. you have no edge.. villain isn't shoving too tight, etc.).. then a chop is cooll because it's a complete gamble then anyways. I'd be more apt to use it for larger field obviously, but was just giving an example of when I've considered using it even in an STT. (45plyr sng, blinds huge, close to even Stacks HeadsUP when it's shove/fold... I'd be happy to take $141.75 instead of goin' out on a badbeat with $112.... not all the time obv. BUT some of the time for sure).

In larger MTT's, the money can be significantly different between the top few spots & and a chop is always a good thing.... you can always leave some to play for (& sometimes you have to leave some to play for).

Yes I have used it.... I personally think its a good thing...for lots of reasons, if your bankroll is slim a chop can secure u some extra cash if you catch a bad beat or a cooler.. Or sometimes the blinds are so big that it becomes a shove fest... like in Ftops events...You can also use it to your advantage if an oppent (when heads up) has the chip lead but say "he will chop if things get close in stack size" you can play a little more aggresive to even the numbers knowing he will consider chop... HOPE THIS HELPS!!

waterboy73

Why didn't you use a more accurate title for this thread? Maybe you can still edit it.
Besides the validity of other members comments I'd like to see a video, if someone has posted on popular video sharing sites, where you can watch in real time motion how a deal is discussed and executed.

yes,i used it once in a $26 tourney it was H/A pl and i was heads up and a slight lead but my opponent was extremly good so i agreed...still got alot of cash ,didn't wanna gamble

Yes, I use it all the time. In sng's where the payout for a $5 is $22.50 for first and $13.50 for second that's like a 9 dollar heads up. I'll often split, and both take $18 home. It's a very nice option added by full tilt.

Ive used it once, a pretty good tool for a negotiation if you're good at it..

never had the chance to use it always seems like theres 1 or 2 holdouts that wont click the button would be nice to see how it works though

How long has full tilt had the discuss deal option? I've seen it but not when I was a top stack. When I have been a top stack, it did not enter my thought process, although since I am a micro stakes player for the most part, deals may not be worth it for most part. (I love the 1.10 90 man double stack sng at full tilt)

I just started playing again, but I think a "chop" option is very good idea, and glad they added that. I have chopped at final tables at live tournys and its done probably half the time live in AC.
One time I was like 60% to 20%, 20% at a final table, the other 2 guys asked for a chop at about those percentages and they take care of tip, I told them F that, guess who finished 3rd?

Oh, I'm glad people responded to this thread, cause I had no idea wtf the original poster said !

Try watching an MTT final table, buyin $50 & up & there'll be a good chance you'll see them make a deal. You'll also be able to 'view deal' as they're executing it (so you'll see the works... ICM Chop, CHip Chop, etc.).
It's rare you actually don't see them make a deal,... usually when one player has like $1mil+ in profits they don't tend to bother with it.

Hey mate, reference the use of making a deal. Yea, I have used it once and it was at HU during a RB $750 tourney. I was in the lead by several thousand chips and received the 1st place position. I was really tired at that point and feel like I may have lost the HU had I continued so when he asked about a deal, I reluctantly accepted. Yes, I feel it is a good option ... another tool in your poker bag.


My best, Wally

well,thanks for you share your experance about that feature,i only try it one time,for i was the second of the final 3 players,we have almost the same chips and at last we are paid about the same dollars,of course,it is very reasonable to everyone,can i ask a strange question,it is that what the biggest number of the players who deal the paid is?? since you play poker online,for me ,i know it is only 5 players in the online poker,what about you?

Yes, I've used it several times. It's a really nice feature.

I want to say that FTP has had this available for about 6 months or so now.

I don't understand it. It's about money, right? Or more correctly, it's about gambling? Hedging your bets? Is trying to maximize your profit about poker or is it more of an investing type of thing .. commodities dealing maybe. I never had any desire to "make a deal " with someone, because I'm busy. Go away - I'm in a tourney. Talk to me after I'm done. (Just trying to show a different point of view - it's what I do, but you all know that already, huh?)

I just tried to make a deal in a 90 man 1 dollar double stack sng at ft. I had fought my way back from the short stack to a decent playable stack with 4 players left. No one responded. It got down to heads up with me having about 85k out of 270k total. After a little while I take a small chip lead and again asked if he wanted to deal. He didnt respond Five hands later this happened.

Hero (BB): t170172 M = 48.62
BTN/SB: t99828 M = 28.52

Pre Flop: (t3500) Hero is BB with Qs 2s
BTN/SB raises to t5000, Hero calls t3000

Flop: (t10500) Kd 2d 9c (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t10500) Qc (2 players)
Hero bets t9000, BTN/SB raises to t18000, Hero raises to t164922 all in, BTN/SB calls t76578 all in

River: (t199656) 7s (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t199656
Hero shows Qs 2s (two pair, Queens and Twos)
BTN/SB shows Kh 8c (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins t199656

Karma will get you.

I think its a good feature but sometimes players arent observant enough to notice or dont look at the chat box when you're talking to them

It is about the money. Good poker players don't consider the game to be 'gambling'. If blinds are huge on final table with a few players left.. anything can happen. If we're trying to maximize our profit... why gamble it away when there's least skill involved? (unless you have an edge over a micro donk who's shoving way too tight, or playing passively, etc.).

It also affords you the option of to barter a bit on the deal (or.. alot). You can customize the deal for how you'd like it... not just based on ICM or ChipChop & you can leave some left to play for too. You can't beat it.

I just used it a half hour ago in a $11 180 man SNG, ended up heads up and chopped for $326 me/370~ him respectively. First would have paid him an extra 40 bucks and I would have had to take a 40 percent loss. It is a good way to minimize variance in turbo MTT's imo, but I wouldn't consider a deal with greater than 3 people.

Sometimes you urgently, absolutely, desperately need to just leave for whatever reason...At times like these, the chop feature is always welcome!

Then why add that "gambling" feature to it, and who but a gambler would consider "hedging their bets" ?

Care to explain? Gambling feature to what?... the game of poker? This seems like a bit of a de-rail.

I think the comment above pretty much describes it best >> "It is a good way to minimize variance in turbo MTT's"
Along with this, it is good in most mtt's with a few players left in it, unless the stacks are still 'relatively' deep in relation to blinds (they usually aren't).

Do you consider the possibility that poker involves both skill and gambling?

What does that have to do with making a deal/chop on final table to reduce variance???

Never deal unless you believe you are not going to win.....





You should NEVER believe you cannot win!

I've never used the feature before, I think it's a good idea to use it when the difference between amounts is not that big.

This statement has me 'believing' you've never gone deep in an MTT, otherwise you'd know that the variance can be insane, whether or not you're Johnny Bax of Phil Ivey... anything can (& does) happen once blinds are HUGE.
It's rare to even see the very best MTT high stakes regs. refuse a deal. Sure in some tourneys (ie. Super Tuesday $1K buyin, & the $1K-Monday on Fulltilt) you'll often get a few players who don't consider a deal, probably partly due to their bankrolls being HUGE and the difference of $20k isn't that big.... also I'd imagine it's a bit of a presitgious thing to ship one of those tourneys.

Wat? that's crazy.

Its simple math combined with your assesment of skill and chipstacks. And the bigger the money, the more you should be willing to take a deal, assuming it is a fair one.

3 examples.
1) $11 rush tourney. We got down to 4 left and all had 8 or 9 BB. we could ICM chop and everyone gets around 2d place money $260ish. If we played it out, it was around $180 more to the winner and 4th place was probably $130 less.

Unless I think I have a huge edge at push/folding here it's crazy not to chop. In reality, I think there were 2 better and two worse players, but this was going to be a crapshoot. So I locked in the 2d place money. Of course I believed I could win. I also believed I could come in 4th just as easily.

2) $3 rebuy on stars. I got HU and we were at identical stacks 100bb deep and had been playing 8 hours. 2d was I think $4900 and first $6500 or so. Now in this case that's a sizable swing in dollars. I also know that HU isn't the best part of my game, and that it could take a LONG time to play at 100bb deep. opponent offered to even chop the money - he didn't want to play anymore. In the end we split it at 5500 each and played for 500 to the winner. If I felt like I had a huge efge here then I might well refuse the chop at the beginning. But in this case I'm probably even or behind skill wise. So taking the deal and playing out for the 500 makes the most sense... and is a smart variance hedge.

i've never used it because too many times i'm itm but not the final table and i haven't seen anyone use it when i make it to the final, maybe cause i play more low limits? i don't know.
but i would use it if it were to my advantage.

I made a deal once in the fulltiltpoker freeroll pot limit omaha hi, we were down to 4 players but no one seems to go out so we agreed to make a deal and that felt pretty awesome lol