Has anyone else seen the new electronic poker tables?

#1 29th November 2007, 3:23 PM

Ever since pay-poker sites were banned in the US, I have lost $$ because the sites are happy to take money off my card but they wont pay out!! Well I recently went to a local casino and found the perfect table!
It is a dealerless electronic table that lets me play Texas Hold 'Em against other players live. To play is even faster than online and traditional players. Plus I get real human interaction; no more typing to chat.

Is it just me, or are these new machines the greatest thing to hit the casino floor!!
Let me know if there are others that share my optimism.

Nobleadman

#2 29th November 2007, 3:28 PM

LOL. This is lame.
I dont want to go to a casino to play electronic poker...
I'll stay home and play Full Tilt.

LOL @ human interaction.

Casino poker is about the environment. The sounds of cards shuffling, chips shuffling, the sound of chips hitting the pot, the feel of scooping up a large pot, or pushing all of your chips in, even the feeling of peeking down at your cards and seeing AA. So many things that an electronic game can't give you. Its not the same exxperience at all. If you're at a casino, you might as well enjoy a live game.

#3 29th November 2007, 4:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobleadman

Ever since pay-poker sites were banned in the US,

Poker sites were not banned in the US. Certain financial institutions were prohibited from moving money to/from them. There are still plenty of "pay-poker" sites available to US players.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobleadman

I have lost $$ because the sites are happy to take money off my card but they wont pay out!!

This is also crap. All the major US sites are capable of providing withdrawals.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobleadman

Well I recently went to a local casino and found the perfect table!
It is a dealerless electronic table that lets me play Texas Hold 'Em against other players live. To play is even faster than online and traditional players. Plus I get real human interaction; no more typing to chat.

Is it just me, or are these new machines the greatest thing to hit the casino floor!!
Let me know if there are others that share my optimism.

Nobleadman

Spreading disinformation to sell your product isn't very "Noble", "adman".

#4 29th November 2007, 5:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aliengenius

Poker sites were not banned in the US. Certain financial institutions were prohibited from moving money to/from them. There are still plenty of "pay-poker" sites available to US players.

This is also crap. All the major US sites are capable of providing withdrawals.

Spreading disinformation to sell your product isn't very "Noble", "adman".

Agreed. Lame attempt at a spam set-up.

As for my opinion on the electronic table? I don't like it. If I'm going to the casino, I'm going to play cards, which in my opinion should involve actual...um...cards and stuff.

#5 29th November 2007, 7:02 PM

Real chips and real cards are the reason to play poker in a casino. These electronic tables are crap.

#6 29th November 2007, 7:02 PM

If people wanted to play electronic versions of popular card games, the casinos would have tossed all of their blackjack tables years ago.

How many electronic blackjack machines do you see floating around?

Video poker seems to be the exception (5-card stud variations).

I have seen a few electronic roulette and craps tables starting to pop up, but they don't seem to be getting much penetration into the market.

God forbid I ever see an electronic No-limit table in a casino.

#7 29th November 2007, 7:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arahel_jazz

...I have seen a few electronic roulette and craps tables starting to pop up, but they don't seem to be getting much penetration into the market...

I saw these in Vegas this year. I noticed there was not the usual hoot-n-holler going on around these as there usually is around a real table. Not to mention 24 monitors seemed to take the same amount of space that 3 tables with 15 people at each table would take. You had 1 person sitting every 3 feet with their "own bubble" as apposed to 3 people every 1 foot, leaning on each other with true human interaction.

BTW, I have an "electronic" table at my house in my bedroom. Why would I want to drive/fly XXX miles to see the same thing I can see at home?

#8 29th November 2007, 8:53 PM

Why would anyone want to essentially play online poker in a casino with people who are basically sitting next to me? The reason I prefer online poker is because it is convenient. I can sit around naked for countless hours at my computer playing hand after hand until I'm blue in the face! If I wanted to go to a casino I would play poker at a real table.

#9 29th November 2007, 9:34 PM

i prefer to feel the cards and stack the chips than to look at the screne

#10 29th November 2007, 10:15 PM

They have Pokerpro tables on Carnival cruise ships now and it definitely beats no poker at all which is most likely the alternative. I actually enjoyed playing on it. It was very sleek. My husband and I won about $1100 between us on the 5 day cruise.

#11 29th November 2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantin007

i prefer to feel the cards and stack the chips than to look at the screne

and also because online poker is RIGGED!!!

#12 29th November 2007, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by nobleadman

I have lost $$ because the sites are happy to take money off my card but they wont pay out!!

Quote: This is also crap. All the major US sites are capable of providing withdrawals.

First of all, I dont appreciate being called a liar AlienGenius. I won money on a poker site (which will remain nameless) , cashed out and never saw my money! I will allow that the $$ may have gotten lost, but either way I won and should have got my money! Electronic poker tables allow me to cash-in and out without problems!

There is a regulation in place prohibiting Internet gambling. Why else would states like Nevada be trying to fight the legislation? If you found a loophole then I applaud you.

As for the electronic tables themselves, I challenge anyone who has actually tried them to post a reply. I am able to play many more hands and I get lots of interaction. The tables I played were buzzing and I suspect as the machines are adopted, they will be the focal point of any casino.

#13 29th November 2007, 10:34 PM

First of all, I dont appreciate being called a liar AlienGenius. I won money on a poker site (which will remain nameless) , cashed out and never saw my money! I will allow that the $$ may have gotten lost, but either way I won and should have got my money! Electronic poker tables allow me to cash-in and out without problems!

There is a regulation in place prohibiting Internet gambling. Why else would states like Nevada be trying to fight the legislation? If you found a loophole then I applaud you.

As for the electronic tables themselves, I challenge anyone who has actually tried them to post a reply. I am able to play many more hands and I get lots of interaction. The tables I played were buzzing and I suspect as the machines are adopted, they will be the focal point of any casino.

#14 29th November 2007, 10:35 PM

I think it's an interesting idea. And furthermore, I think that some people will really like it! I however, enjoy the interaction with the dealer, and the pace that a game with a live dealer gives.

#15 29th November 2007, 10:43 PM

Yeah I agree with everyone else on this one. The casino is about Live play with live dealers real chips and cards. I would love to find the retard that made up this idea. The only reason I can see this being a benefit to the casino is they dont have to pay anyone to host the tables meaning all the money and rakes stay in play with the house. Hell I much rather stay home and play on FT myself in the comfort of my own home. Wow how stupid can you get on this one....

#16 29th November 2007, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobleadman

First of all, I dont appreciate being called a liar AlienGenius. I won money on a poker site (which will remain nameless) , cashed out and never saw my money! I will allow that the $$ may have gotten lost, but either way I won and should have got my money! Electronic poker tables allow me to cash-in and out without problems!

There is a regulation in place prohibiting Internet gambling. Why else would states like Nevada be trying to fight the legislation? If you found a loophole then I applaud you.

As for the electronic tables themselves, I challenge anyone who has actually tried them to post a reply. I am able to play many more hands and I get lots of interaction. The tables I played were buzzing and I suspect as the machines are adopted, they will be the focal point of any casino.

1. You said you were unable to cash out, not that you were robbed by some fly by night site. Again, all the major (UB, Stars, AP, FT, BD) US sites allow for fairly easy (if not particularly timely) withdrawal, although you may to get/wait for a paper check.

2. You are flat out wrong about the legislation. I encourage you to educate yourself here.

#17 29th November 2007, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobleadman

Originally Posted by nobleadman

I have lost $$ because the sites are happy to take money off my card but they wont pay out!!

Quote: This is also crap. All the major US sites are capable of providing withdrawals.

First of all, I dont appreciate being called a liar AlienGenius. I won money on a poker site (which will remain nameless) , cashed out and never saw my money! I will allow that the $$ may have gotten lost, but either way I won and should have got my money! Electronic poker tables allow me to cash-in and out without problems!

There is a regulation in place prohibiting Internet gambling. Why else would states like Nevada be trying to fight the legislation? If you found a loophole then I applaud you.

As for the electronic tables themselves, I challenge anyone who has actually tried them to post a reply. I am able to play many more hands and I get lots of interaction. The tables I played were buzzing and I suspect as the machines are adopted, they will be the focal point of any casino.

??? and Im not being an ass here what site screwed you out of your money?? It wasnt Canbet was it?? Me my bro and my Neihbor all got the shaft from them. Bastards!!! As for the electronic tables I rather play live at the Casino thats the whole reason I drive To Atlantic City as I play alot off of Instinct and am very good at picking up on tells. Best of luck with them though Im sure I will see them soon as Im set for the Borgata 500 buy in on Dec 9th In Atlantic City. Will have to check them out on the way to the real tables...LOL

#18 29th November 2007, 11:30 PM

Remember we had a thread on the Video Poker Table a while back. Really neat, you put your hands down, see your hole cards, place bets, yada yada. We all discussed how this will probably take over casinos in the future because they won't have to pay dealers......

#19 29th November 2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crummy

Remember we had a thread on the Video Poker Table a while back. Really neat, you put your hands down, see your hole cards, place bets, yada yada. We all discussed how this will probably take over casinos in the future because they won't have to pay dealers......

Just like automated blackjack tables...

#20 30th November 2007, 2:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aliengenius

1. You said you were unable to cash out, not that you were robbed by some fly by night site. Again, all the major (Ultimatebet, Stars, Absolute Poker, FT, BD) US sites allow for fairly easy (if not particularly timely) withdrawal, although you may to get/wait for a paper check.

2. You are flat out wrong about the legislation. I encourage you to educate yourself here.

The above article only explains the federal law about online gamble. There are 11 states that have state laws which prohibit online gamble. That's why when doylesroom reopened, it does not open to those 11 state players. Poker Player Home Page :: Articles :: Doyle's Room Returns to the US Market.

#21 30th November 2007, 2:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerchris

The above article only explains the federal law about online gamble. There are 11 states that have state laws which prohibit online gamble. That's why when doylesroom reopened, it does not open to those 11 state players. Poker Player Home Page :: Articles :: Doyle's Room Returns to the US Market.

And yet it is still incorrect to say that "pay-poker sites were banned in the US"; not to mention there being a legal distinction to be made between playing poker online and "online gambling."

#22 30th November 2007, 3:14 AM

Seen these pokerpro tables at crown in melbourne the other day. But there is no point really, cos if your going to a casino to play poker, might as well do it the real way because these tables just ruin the good atmosphere.

#23 30th November 2007, 3:17 AM

They've got a section for PokerPro tables at Crown in Melbourne - while I don't dig them personally, I can kinda see the attraction.

For example, I've played a $65 tournament that they have there with live dealers every now and then. The strucutre is $50 to the prize pool and $15 to the house. They've recently moved this tournament to the PokerPro tables and, with the same buy-in, it's now a $55/$10 split. So the players are coming out ahead there.

You get more hands per hour too in theory, so the grinders looking to increase their BB/hr would be happy.

But personally... I go to a casino to play cards, with chips, and all that other fun stuff. If there happened to be a game that I really wanted to play on these tables I might give them a go, but I'm in no rush.

#24 30th November 2007, 3:18 AM

the electronic tables are like dak said way better then nothing , no casinos in my state but the horse track has electronic machines , slot machines that pay tickets that you can cash for the money , recently added blackjack machines and I'm hoping for some hold em machines soon. I think it will be different than online because of fake casino feel , just being out with lots of people around. of course I would rather play a real game at a real table but since its not an option here I'll take what I can get .

#25 30th November 2007, 4:16 AM

Ugh, electronic tables sound terrible. We hear enough about online poker being rigged, we really want to hear about Casino riggedness now?

#26 30th November 2007, 2:59 PM

Since I was already skeptical about online poker, I asked a floor manager at the casino about the new electronic poker tables. He assured me that they need to pass the same strict certification as other machines. Does that mean the odds are not stacked in favour of the casinos?

As for experiencing the feel of real cards and chips, remember that people thought chatting on a computer would not catch on since people would miss the face to face. Look how chat room, blogs and bulleting boards have grown. I suspect the same thing will happen with the poker tables.

Some people mentioned pokerpro but the machine I played on was called pokermate. From what I saw online, both machines appear similar.
Can anyone who has tried both tell me how they compare?

#27 1st December 2007, 9:18 PM

pokerpro si

#28 2nd December 2007, 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobleadman

He assured me that they need to pass the same strict certification as other machines. Does that mean the odds are not stacked in favour of the casinos?

That's the beauty of poker - there's no need for the house to stack the game in its favour, because they win every hand via rake.

#29 2nd December 2007, 9:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobleadman

Originally Posted by nobleadman

I have lost $$ because the sites are happy to take money off my card but they wont pay out!!

Quote: This is also crap. All the major US sites are capable of providing withdrawals.

First of all, I dont appreciate being called a liar AlienGenius. I won money on a poker site (which will remain nameless) , cashed out and never saw my money! I will allow that the $$ may have gotten lost, but either way I won and should have got my money! Electronic poker tables allow me to cash-in and out without problems!

There is a regulation in place prohibiting Internet gambling. Why else would states like Nevada be trying to fight the legislation? If you found a loophole then I applaud you.

As for the electronic tables themselves, I challenge anyone who has actually tried them to post a reply. I am able to play many more hands and I get lots of interaction. The tables I played were buzzing and I suspect as the machines are adopted, they will be the focal point of any casino.

I haven't tried them because the 3 times I was at the casino and saw them.....they all sat empty while the REAL poker tables had a wait.....why would ANYONE go to a casino to play "online" poker?

#30 2nd December 2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka22

why would ANYONE go to a casino to play "online" poker?

Because it's not online poker - it's live poker, just with the bits that slow the game up removed.

Personally, I enjoy the bits that slow the game up so it doesn't really appeal to me, but I can see why it might to others.

#31 2nd December 2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OzExorcist

Because it's not online poker - it's live poker, just with the bits that slow the game up removed.

Personally, I enjoy the bits that slow the game up so it doesn't really appeal to me, but I can see why it might to others.

Yeah, with more discussions of rigged tables. It's completely pointless. The only person this benefits is the casino, because they don't have to buy decks or pay dealers, and personally I don't care about the casino. They make enough money as it is.

If you don't have real cards with real chips and a real dealer, it's not real live poker. It's honestly just stupid. If you want to remove the slow parts then play online.

#32 2nd December 2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor IX

Yeah, with more discussions of rigged tables. It's completely pointless. The only person this benefits is the casino, because they don't have to buy decks or pay dealers, and personally I don't care about the casino. They make enough money as it is.

It does have some benefits for players - more hands per hour, and lower tournament entry fees. In our local, they're also using them to provide games like Omaha, which they often wouldn't bother with otherwise, and also use them to provide games lower than $1/$2, which is where the traditional live tables start.

Like I said, I don't like them personally, but there are benefits for those who do.

#33 2nd December 2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OzExorcist

It does have some benefits for players - more hands per hour, and lower tournament entry fees. In our local, they're also using them to provide games like Omaha, which they often wouldn't bother with otherwise, and also use them to provide games lower than $1/$2, which is where the traditional live tables start.

Like I said, I don't like them personally, but there are benefits for those who do.

I'll admit that that is pretty intriguing (the micro limits part), but unless my friends are heading to Soaring Eagle and I'm broke, I doubt I'll bever use it. I'm just not excited about reading the eventual threads about how these tables are rigged

#34 3rd December 2007, 2:03 AM

LOL - yeah, it would be extremely tedious if we started getting two streams of rigged threads...

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