| This is a discussion on Are the games controlled by the site? within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; OK, so here is an opinion on this subject. If a site is running 10 $ 0.90 + $ 0.10 STT sit and go tournaments ... |
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| Are the games controlled by the site? OK, so here is an opinion on this subject. If a site is running 10 $ 0.90 + $ 0.10 STT sit and go tournaments (just as an example) would it or would it not be to the sites advantage to have the tournament end as quickly as possible? For every second that these tournaments continue, the site is not making money! For every tournament that meets its registration numbers, and a new tournament starts, the site is making money. So, it would stand to reason, it is to the sites advantage to have the tournament end as quickly as possible. A 10 player STT sit and go, 5 players left, the short stack gets dealt a hand that he/she considers is an all-in hand. The biggest stack calls with decent cards but is dominated, the flop comes and the small stack still leads (maybe even improves their hand) the turn comes....no change....the river, the big stack catches the flush and eliminated the small stack. The same thing happens to player # 4 and now you have the money players, now they will usually lower their card values and bet more aggressively and eliminate each other quickly on their own. You have seen this scenario how many times? |
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| Question (I don't know the answer, that's why I'm asking) - do the sites have a limit on the number of S&G's running simultaneously? I see no logical reason why they would, but don't know. If (as I suspect) they don't have a maximum number than can run simultaneously, there's no advantage to them finishing early (other than perhaps when people get knocked out, they'll join another one). Incidentally, I notice this is your first post to CC. As a matter of interest, did you join CC just to ask this question, or will you be making a useful contribution at some stage? |
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| re: Are the games controlled by the site? poker For every second that an STT is in progress, the site is not making money from the players in that game. Is that not correct? Then, it would only make sense to end the tournament as quickly as possible so as to get the players to register (put money in the sites account)in another STT or any other game. Answer honestly now, does that not make sense to you? Last edited by oldguy5055 : 22nd December 2007 at 4:07 PM. Reason: spelling |
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But then you, as a bean counter, might start thinking about profit per processor per hour, and if they let the bean counters run it then the OP could come into play. God forbid the bean counters. Good example of why? The girl whose insurance refused to pay for a transplant until one hour before she died for lack of transplant. IMO bean counters should stick to counting beans else the rest of us might think they should be counting beans from the root side of the plant! |
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| Here are some stats that I have accumulated from the site I play at. Granted, this is only an example of 1 STT, but, I have hundreds that I have saved and broken down this way, and they average out to about the same results. No call 91 Hands that were folded without any table cards being dealt Hole cards 5 Hands that were won with pocket cards that were not improved on and won after all of the table cards were dealt. Flop 9 Hands that were improved on and won by the flop, but not after. Turn 7 Hands that were improved on and won by the turn card but not after. River 22 Hands that were improved on and won by the river card , including hands that eliminated smaller stacks. Total hands 131 Hands won on the river which eliminated players 7 = 31% of the hands that were won with the river card. The following stats don’t include the no call hands that were not played out! Hands decided by hole cards 11.62% Hands decided by flop 20.93% Hands decided by the turn 16.27% Hands decided by the river card 51.16% |
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| re: Are the games controlled by the site? poker [ ] valid statistical sample [ ] comparison to what the odds should be mathematically [x] thread likely to degenerate from here |
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| Dorkus, I appreciate your opinion and would ask you a question in response. What governing body oversees the integrity of any of these sites and enforces them to insure their integrity? Most of the sites are affiliated in some way and probably run by one or two huge corporations that are in this only to show profit. My example was just that, an example...move it up to bigger stakes, or, just leave it at the same stakes and multiply the number of games by thousands and then think about the profit margin. What do they have to lose except disgruntled players? There are no POKER SITE POLICE out there that I know of. Besides, when the sites are off shore, say in Costa Rica, how does anyone bring them to justice if they were caught and convicted? They shut down and come up with a new name and suck the money out of your pockets again. |
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| if you believe on line poker is rigged don't play same goes for casino when the dealer puts the cards in the auto shuffler and they go below the table and they get stcked against you it's the same thing.or maybe the game is designed for action cards to hit the flop turn and river and everyone says well "thats poker" |
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| And, to be clear! I did not say I thought they were rigged! I asked a few questions searching for some logical, POLITE, and helpful opinions. To those of you that have met that criteria, thank you. To those of you that were rude, well, there are all kinds out there and your opinion is important too! How about trying to convey it in a more socially acceptable manner? |
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| re: Are the games controlled by the site? poker I can see the reasoning behind your logic, however, I have witnessed many more occassions that where the opposite of your scenario happens. Small stacks hanging on all-in after all-in to make the SNG drag on and on. And as Dorkus said, it wouldn't be worth it to risk their reputation. And if you think about a site like Poker Stars, where they have a SNG starting every second, well, I don't think they have a problem making money. |
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| sighaments to this thread. But although old guy does make a good point that the site is not making money during the play of an sng, there is absolutely no proof of foul play etc. Some unsubstantiated stats are not going to cut it on this one. There would need to be a huge study based on tens of thousands of games. Also your whole notion of the river bringing the bad news is flawed. Any bad beat would need to be counted, regardless if it came on the flop, turn, or river. You would also have to compare it to the odds of a bad beat happening, not compare it to the amount of bad beats happening earlier in the game. Of course, doing this would be foolish because, as other forums have concluded repeatedly, ONLINE POKER AIN'T RIGGED. Funny story everyone! I was watching my friend play some online poker, and he called an all in with AJ off. I wasn't really paying attention, so I asked "Is that guy a maniac." He said, "No, but he had pocket aces last hand so he can't have that good of a hand this time." |
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And note: this wasn't a case of AP doing anything other than having shoddy security. |
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The longest SNG I've played went on for 1 hour and 45 minutes (2,000 starting stack, 10 minute blinds). Why would the site allow something like this? Strange, isn't it? |
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| The cost of people playing longer is relatively minimal in terms of actual cost with the low amount of power usage per game and equipment, the only real benefit I could see to speeding up play in tournaments would be to get them to buyin to another tournament more quickly. While this is speculation, I don't see a significant enough reason for them to try to speed up tournament play artificially. It may make their tournaments slightly more profitable but I imagine they get the bulk of their money from cash games rather than tournaments just like in live poker rooms as they collect money from each hand. They'd likely therefore be far more likely to rig live games than tournaments. While I doubt any legitimate sites would rig their games, it would make more sense to do so in situations where there'd be a higher profit such as cash games than tournaments. |
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Behold, the IRON FIST OF LOGIC ! logic.JPG (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7148&d=1198371107) Keep those beat downs coming! Enjoy! |
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| re: Are the games controlled by the site? poker Brag: Best weekend ever Brag: Fixed own computer hardware just by reading instructions, saving an expensive repair job. Brag: Hit biggest MTT score to date. Brag: Had a major victory in an online football game I've been waiting over a year for. Brag: Acquired awesome avatar. Beat: Can't seem to get the avatar to work from work computer, will have to wait until later. Edited to add: Suckout: Managed to get it to work. Thanks! Last edited by KyleJRM : 23rd December 2007 at 1:09 AM. |
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