Friends @ a Poker table???

A friend of my introduce me to a new crowd of players. When I first played with this crowd I was winning big on a regular. At some games it would seem like my friend and I was the only ones with money after a while and we notice that we were just killing each other. So we developed a system not to bet eachother. Well the system is not working because it requires me to fold If he leads the bet and no one calls, or to check it down if we are the only ones in a hand. My betting style has change so much since this system and honestly I feel just this way of playing takes away from my ability to think properly. I have been a firm believer that there are no friends at the table , so how do I let my friend know I don't want to do this style anymore without upsetting a friendship???

Just tell him that it cramps your style of play and takes away from your fun, you would just like to play. Most friends will understand this, if he doesn't then he is really not much of a friend.

just tell him before the site tells you and accuse you off collusion, because that is what you 2 are doing !

there are no friends in poker at the table !
if got troubble with playing against a friend just not play the same tables

The next time he bets into you, 3-bet shove back. He'll get the idea.

...Other than this, treat him like another player at the table.

Its not a site, Im talking about live action. Thanks for the reply though.

More then likely he'll understand. He may even be thinking the same thing you are. Just tell him you can't play effectively like that and you would rather play on your own.

same there i play live games with a group of friends regulair, but as soon we start to play we are enemies
solved the problem by holding the next game at the biggest winners place.
needing his winnings for the drinks and food

Man this site is real helpful, Its good to know other players understand where Im coming from.

@ wolfie that's crazy you brought that up, because sometimes he would host the game and thats when Im at a major disadvantage because most poker (house games) players know you play to break the house.

I hear you...
Since I've been playing in the PSO on PS I've gotten to know a lot of peeps in the league. I now play with them in a private game called the Cowboy Corral as well were the top players in PSO play & most of us are on Ventrillo too. I find it to be awesome to play with my friends who play damn good poker and try to take there chips when I can. I also find that my game has improved because we get to talk about our game play after it's all said and done.

poker you play against the table ! not against the house.

before we raked the hands to cover the costs of hosting a game(loads of drinks/food)
now just the winner must host next game

they like me to win because my wife makes a big thai buffet if i am hosting

Nice... let us know when the next game is BTW do you cover airfare too

The way you have been playing is known as "collusion" and it is cheating, pure and simple, so you have the right idea in wanting to get away from that type of play.

Don't you just hate it when cheating doesn't work out No sympathy, no atta boys for stoppin. Your cheating.

The one think I absolutely hate is players teaming up. I play at Carbon poker and there is this player name Wadmeatgod or something close and this other guy (forgot his name ) who play multiple table together, and they never go head up and always team up. It very irritating when the odd is always against you. I try going to different table, but its very rare to not see them. Live or online, this is cheating and I believe something should be done about it. I hate CHEATER.

The whole idea behind playing poker is to be the last player standing (or sitting). What your doing isn't helping you win all the chips at the end of the night. If he is a real friend he will understand. Just speak up before the game starts. Good Luck

If you are noticing a pattern with these players, you should report them to Carbon for investigation.

To the OP, as already stated, simply put, you and your friend are cheating. You're lucky that:

a) The people you played with haven't noticed or for some unknown reason don't think it's a big deal

b) You play with really forgiving people who have not taken you out back and played "let's hide the knuckles...in your face".

It's still collusion.

I have one question for you. Do you have a good dental plan?

I have also played alot vs 'meatwadgod'. I have to defend him, I do not believe he is a cheater. He has played over 30k games with 15k profit. If he was cheating i'm sure he would have been found out by now. He is jsut an ultra tight DON player. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise then I would be happy to take it into account.

Im glad that all you guys say its cheating, because I honestly told him at the start of this plan that It felt like we were playing "team poker" which I felt was CHEATING. I never needed this plan as I stated in my original comment I was making good money before this so called plan. So in reality I feel like I was being the target after the long run. Saying that this is a form of cheating has really touch a nerve that Im glad it has. I've played sports , poker and much other things and my number one rule was never cheat. Actually the friend and I had differences at one game because it was a hand that the guy with the winning hand thought he loss and I spoke up and told the guy he won. I guess this was a reality check. Thank you all for the comments , Im truly a poker player and will refuse to disrespect the game.

Damn, if I can only remember the other guy name. the other guy plays like in 75% of his game( if I can only remember his name). Watch how they play together. Also there is no way I'm just paranoid because I used to play 7-10 hours and I pay close attention. And I remember Meatwadgod and this other guy saying how they played at cake poker together too.

Your original "plan" was cheating and shouldn't be done.

What you said in bold should never be done as well. If you aren't in the hand you should keep your mouth shut about the out come, even if the cards are face up, it's the players responsibility to know what they are holding.

Meh, cards speak. IF i have to point it out then so be it. Its in the interest of the game for it to be played fairly. Every player I know would enforce this one.

I've been asked several times to soft play friends. I usually do the exact same thing every time. I tell thim if ill go away unless I have the nuts, then ill raise them light until they get the idea. Soft playing with someone especially if ye are winners is a bad idea, if the other players realise (they eventually will) ye will get banned, or ye are successful and hammer the game for 2 much money, killing the game.

Just don't do it.

I agree it was cheating. @ TPC the guy originally dropped his hand and at this game the house rule is drop your hand and it speaks for itself. Trust me Im a good guy and good at heart , thats why I came here to ask these questions. If the house rule was different I would have not say anything but for the guy to follow the rules and they attempt to overlook him didnt seem right in many ways

It's collusion so end it now. It seems to me that your friend is a bit scared of you at the table and maybe thought he could only do well with your help. Anyway, end it.

@Misteral I agree....I truly wish I never did it in the first place. Im a man and admit I did wrong too for agreeing I would never say it was all him. At the time I was thinking fast and not logic. It's unfair in so many ways and I can't live with myself if I continue you disrespect the game in anyway.

I understand where you are coming from. I have a bit of the same problem and really don't like playing against close friends that have been so helpful in teaching me the ins/outs of the game. We have done it, but no plan on how. Simply play your own game and they should play theirs. Very tough. We are aware of the situation and now we simply play our own game. Much more relaxing when you don't have to worry about friendships. If you lose, you lose. If you win, you win. Move on I say.

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I like this approach. He will sit up in his chair and take note. It will slow him down.

You guys have told me enough to let me know that this style of poker shouldnt be allowed . sO I will talk with him and if he doenst understand why Ill just say what all you guys have told me.

I know you have the idea by now CD, but if he doesn't understand why, (and I hate to sound like an afterschool special/Waltons/Little House on the Prairie), just ask he how he'd feel if the entire table were friends like you guys and decided in advance to do the same to you guys. Pretty simple if you ask me....

On the felt it is war

it does'nt matter if its virtual felt on sites like FTP and pokerstars or real felt in a casino or even at a homegame

there is only one winner in poker and the rest have to lose

personally i enjoy busting friends/family over busting unknown russians online but hey that might just be me

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Its cheating and if i was any of the other players at your home game and knew bout it A) I wouldnt play BUT B) Id kick your ass and wouldnt play with you again. So do you wnat keep your friends or do you just wnat cheat people? I play against my brother on pokerstars. Ill look him p and if hes at a table ill go sit down and play. We have a good game and pokerstars know us as have had people report us due to being in same city etc but they know we dont collude as the hand evidence suggests we dont. Especially when hes going all in and so am i heads up lol. Should be playing poker not cheating

So what your saying is that the two of you are cheaters!!! It is what it is!!! Quit trying to cheat----problem solved. If others find out your playing them--you may find yourself with a black eye if your lucky!!!

You are all right this is cheating and should have nevre been though of. I see the remarks that Im lucky that Im not beat up, black eye and etc. Well there is a number of reasons none of the actions have taken place. If you met me you would quickly find out Im highly respectful of the game and all it took was one person to say that they felt it was unfair and I would have stopped instantly, another reason is which I beleive is the main reason and I didnt find this out until recently. I believed my friend got this from others. I notice a number of players doing it as If it was cool. I posted this forum because I knew it was wrong, I did not see any positive form it and It just didnt feel right. I deeply apologize to anyone who thinks that I have disrespect the game and can promise you I am not one of many mistakes nor do I have a habit of repeating fraud activity.

I did this for a little while with my friend at home games. I realized that it was pointless and that we are playing a game. So i just straight up told him, i want to know who is the better poker player between the two of us. So let's play real poker. Then it came down to us showing down alot, and it was actually funner because then bragging rights came in to play.