Made me laugh

Written by Maldini


Stage #642542301 Tourney ID 1412725 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $1000 - 2007-02-14 11:17:34 (ET)
Table: 11 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 1 - FATBOY2222 ($12970 in chips)
Seat 2 - MALDINI ($23615 in chips)
Seat 3 - JAYNESEO ($74955 in chips)
Seat 4 - JJEJJ ($27935 in chips)
Seat 5 - MYJAYKEN ($22874.80 in chips)
Seat 6 - STUMOOG52 ($12490.64 in chips)
Seat 7 - PFDPOKER ($22495 in chips)
Seat 8 - STIFFSTUFF39 ($38632.50 in chips)
Seat 9 - POKERDOG398 ($20350 in chips)
FATBOY2222 - Ante $75
MALDINI - Ante $75
JAYNESEO - Ante $75
JJEJJ - Ante $75
MYJAYKEN - Ante $75
STUMOOG52 - Ante $75
PFDPOKER - Ante $75
STIFFSTUFF39 - Ante $75
POKERDOG398 - Ante $75
JJEJJ - Posts small blind $500
MYJAYKEN - Posts big blind $1000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MALDINI [Kd As]
STUMOOG52 - Folds
PFDPOKER - Folds
STIFFSTUFF39 - Folds
POKERDOG398 - Folds
FATBOY2222 - Folds
MALDINI - Raises $4000 to $4000
JAYNESEO - Raises $10000 to $10000
JJEJJ - Folds
MYJAYKEN - Folds
MALDINI - All-In(Raise) $19540 to $23540
JAYNESEO - Calls $13540
*** FLOP *** [Ad 7h 3h]
*** TURN *** [Ad 7h 3h] 8♦
*** RIVER *** [Ad 7h 3h 8d] A♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MALDINI - Shows [Kd As] (Three of a kind, aces)
JAYNESEO - Shows [8h Kh] (Flush, ace high)
JAYNESEO Collects $49255 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($49255)
Board [Ad 7h 3h 8d Ah]
Seat 1: FATBOY2222 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: MALDINI HI:lost with Three of a kind, aces [Kd As - P:As,B:Ah,B:Ad,P:Kd,B:8d]
Seat 3: JAYNESEO (dealer) won Total ($49255) HI$49255) with Flush, ace high [8h Kh - B:Ah,P:Kh,P:8h,B:7h,B:3h]
Seat 4: JJEJJ (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MYJAYKEN (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: STUMOOG52 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: PFDPOKER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: STIFFSTUFF39 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: POKERDOG398 Folded on the POCKET CARDS


I got 2nd in this donkament 2 days ago, just missed money yesterday when QQ got pwned by A3 who shipped in on my BB. This guy Jaynedonk was pretty Laggy, my image was pretty tight, I've pretty much raised hi cards or prs only pre. K8 suited is obviously gonna be ahead of my range there. And what does the 10k raise accomplish? He was big stack btw, and this was with about 40 left. I'm fine with his pot odds call once i moved in, but wtf is the 10k reraise about....

Anyone wondering why I was playing like that is probably because of one or more of these

A: I was drinking
B: I was very tired
C: I was bored
D: Was pissed about a beat I'd taken.

Oh well

Funny that you've got one of your hand analysed on another forum, but re his comments - yes, why?

Was probably thinking it was a cutoff attempt at a blind steal? Couldn't really tell you at this point. And my list of reasons above.

you google searched for your username, didn't you?

Yup, had to know whats being said about me

"Jaynedonk", hahahahaahah, he called you "Jaynedonk"

why are people so happy with shoving & calling all ins with AK

Fear of the flop.

In a donkament raisng all-in with ak (a drawing hand) is akin to asking the poker gods to rain a little luck because even deep in a tourny some clown will call you with just about anything looks pretty in they pocket. More people get railed with AK than any other pocket...it looks good but is still a drawing hand that always needs help even against 2-2 its still a slight dog.

Originally Posted by joosebuck

why are people so happy with making pot committing reraises with K8 sooooooooooooted

i fixed this for you

bcoz its soooooted

Even if he doesn't shove back and just calls (it wouldn't make sense, but he has to at least call getting better than 2.5 to 1 with AK), he'd go all-in on the flop and lose anyway because Jay would have correct odds to call and is committed.


To Jay: To the 4 options you mention as to why you played it that way, I pick the 5th (all of the above).

Originally Posted by joosebuck

why are people so happy with shoving & calling all ins with AK

Originally Posted by riffpoker

In a donkament raisng all-in with ak (a drawing hand) is akin to asking the poker gods to rain a little luck because even deep in a tourny some clown will call you with just about anything looks pretty in they pocket. More people get railed with AK than any other pocket...it looks good but is still a drawing hand that always needs help even against 2-2 its still a slight dog.

Because AK's value us mostly preflop, and because AK is not a "drawing" hand, despite what you read somewhere.

From a previous post:

Originally Posted by aliengenius

The advantages of AK are mostly in it's preflop value:

1. Fold equity. This is the biggest advantage of AK. For me it is almost alway a REraising hand preflop. For you to take advantage of this, you MUST play it aggressively (your opponent must fold). Small pairs can't really call you for fear that you have a bigger pair when you play it aggressively. If you do get called, even by something like QQ, you are still only a slight dog.

2. Pre-flop dominating hand. This is mostly applicable against donks who will call you with Ax soooooded. Inversely, you are only really dominated vs AA or KK (and you have about 30% vs KK).

3. Post flop your top pair always has top kicker when you hit.

Obviously when your opponent goes all in he has neutralized AK's biggest advantage as he can no longer fold. Against two random cards that don't include either and ace or a king you are not that big of a favorite with five to come, as other posters pointed out. But you don't ever really want to be calling an all in with very many hands (AA and KK excepted)-- YOU want to be the one doing the raising or pushing.

Just to look at it another way, let's compare AK to a small pair, say 55.

AK is a dominating hand. IF your raise is called you are (most likely) either:

1. way ahead (vs. a weaker ace)
OR
2. in a 50/50ish race.

With 55 you are (most likely) either:

1. way behind (vs. a bigger pair)
OR
2. in a 50/50ish race.

See the difference?