Folding a Nut Flush

I was watching the European ESPN poker tourney last night and watched a hand that blew my mind. One of the guy raised the blind to $450 from $100 with K,10 clubs. The buy on the button had AK hearts just calls the raise. The flop is two hearts with a queen missing both players. The guy with the K,10 first to acts bets with a call from the AK player. The turn is a 10 so the K,10 player bets again, something like a 1000. The AK player mulls it for a while and then calls. The river is a 10 of heart, giving the K,10 player trip 10s while the AK player a nut flush. The K,10 player, first to act, bets 3k into the pot. The guy with the nut flush, thinks about it, squirmed a bit, then says to the guy, "You have the queens?" insinuating that he thinks the other guy has a full house. Hesitates a little more and then finally mucks his nut flush.

My question is how many of you would have folded at that moment? I should add that every player started with 20k chip stack. So if the guy called and loss, he would have still about anywhere b/w 10-15k. I know I would have called...

No way in hell I would have folded there. I might not raise if I thought I had a good read, but definitely wouldn't fold. Reminds me of that hand where Jennifer Tilly checked down her full house because she convinced herself Patrick Antonius had quad kings. Sometimes people just get scared and look for any excuse to run away from a hand.

Worthy of a call, but not a raise. IMSO. There are many who might advocate shoving the nut flush, but against a paired board, that is not prudent. Folding wasn't so prudent either, in this case. So I'm in the call but no raise camp.

Well the guy with a,k has basically announced his hand and probably thinks that the other guy thinks that he has at least a flush and is still betting out into him. Therefore he thinks he is probably beat, not that strange of a play tbh, especially if the aggressor is a tight player

There are other possible hands he might have been afraid of as well. Maybe not the queens, but Q10.

If the player is a professional and had a read on the other, he is going to go with his gut. He probably had a read on the player and thought he had a better hand then he actually did, when the trips came up and the K10 reacted, the flush seemed less strong.

Fold isn't a terrible play, get him next time.

What was the outcome in the end?

This is typical behavior for a tight-passive player cant call down a big bet unless you have the Nuts and as Reducto said they run away from the hand.

I honestly hate this way of playing poker, why on earth does one call with nut-flush/gutshot-draw on the turn just to fold when you fill up on the river?

I bet that if the AK guy would have hit a A or K he would have puted his opponent on 2 pairs, and if he was holding AQ he would have puted his opponent on a Ten.

It just dont make any sense! Itīs like playing Texas like Omaha, nuthing but the nuts....

LOL not quite as bad as Tilly, but I think its a pretty silly fold getting 2 to 1 with the nut flush draw. Maybe not worth a raise, but at least a call almost every time.

how can you say its a silly fold if you have no idea what the table dynamics were? What if the better was a rock, and only plays premium hands? and is betting a river that hit a flush when a flush draw makes up al arge percentage of the other player's hand? The better is repping a monster hand in that case so the fold isn't horrible if so

If its Holdem I am calling, IF it's Omaha I am running

There is no way i would fold a nut flush when they didnt go all in ,

The guy went with his read. I don't think you can ever fault a guy for going with his read. Even if he is wrong or right.

Yes, that is at least worthy of a call. You can call it anything you want, "het thought he had a read" or "table dynamics" but to me it was scared money. Another 3g's doesn't cripple him at that point.

I saw this too and couldn't believe it! I understand the he didn't want to take too big of a chance, but I would have called on the river. It was just a bad read.

Sorry, but even for a tight-passive player and with the stack sizes, its a easy call.

i can't believe he folded. that would have been an easy raise for me.

Fold, I don't think in a million years I could convince myself to fold. Some people play different I quess.

I would have called.
If he only bet so much, it prob isn't the best time to be raising, but worth the call.
However it could be bait waiting on the all in from you.
I use that alot myself.
Knowing i hold the shizzle and play a mediocre bet and hope the other guy goes all in. Make the bet too big and he'd prob fold.

i would have called for sure in that spot the way u tell the hand its impossible to put him on Q's

Was his name Robert Varkonyi?

Hindsight's 20/20 but depending on the situation I can see folding the nut flush. I would have to be a pro and almost certain of a read, but sure, why not.

I've been in the situation before, where I hit the nut flush (at the time) on the turn only to have my opponent fill up on the river. You can be blinded when that flush hits, and your opponent may or may not be playing on that. So, if that situation were to happen to me again (and it has), I would absolutely fold every time.

Absolutely agree...an additional 3k holding the nut flush is imo a no-brainer call minimum. Yes you might fear the full boat but still your in the pot with the nut flush I call everytime. If the K10 would've pushed all-in I might hesitate.

depends on how much you are at risk of losing....