| This is a discussion on Flushes in Omaha within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; Alright i am getting so frustrated playing omaha and having people hit their flushes on me when I have a set, straight etc. Is it ... |
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| Flushes in Omaha Alright i am getting so frustrated playing omaha and having people hit their flushes on me when I have a set, straight etc. Is it profitable at all to play when their is two flush cards on a flop? I understand how different Omaha is from HE but It just seems like I lose too much money from this situation and should lay more hands down. Advice? |
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| In omaha i never play a flush lower than a Queen high. I have found that out the hard way low flushes are usually no good depending on how high the board cards are to the flush. As for playin the set. I have found out that if the board has 3 cards to a straight or 2 cards to a flush i fold 70% of the time. But if i flop my set of Kings for instance with a flop like 2 9 K all rainbow of course i like to bet it hard. But with a flop of lets say K 10 9 with 2 suited cards and i flopped my set of Kings I fold alot more I guess the best advice i could give you is to go with your gut and I always give the other player credit of having the nuts or a big draw. Hope this helps |
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If your set is good, then they've missed the flush/straight. They're not going to pay you off. If they hit, then it's going to cost you. Small win/big loss. I'd rather get out of the hand cheaply to the river incase you hit a boat. Then you hope that they hit the flush. -wil |
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| re: Flushes in Omaha poker Lol at people telling him to fold sets. Get as much money in ahead as you can, and if you get beat, recognize you are and get out of the hand. Obviously there ARE situations where it's best to fold, but they are far and few between. You can't be scared. Even if the hit the straight/flush on the turn, you still have 16 outs to beat therm. |
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| It all depends on the situation, its easy to get rid of a set when there is a flush possibility out there, because odds are you are beat and even with a set, someone could have a higher set than you, remember its 4 cards than 2 and much easier to hit bigger stuff, so sometimes what you think is good, really isnt |
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| A thought process I use while playing omaha is that every hand in omaha is worth one less than it would be in holdem. So if I have two pair in omaha it is as good as a pair so not very strong. A three of a kind is as good as two pair. Now the higher hands you just have to be smart. Straights and flushes will get beat by full house a lot. |
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You flopped the nut straight. Villain A is going to happilly bet/raise if he thinks his hand is currently best, and Villain B is going to happily call looking for his flush card. Last I checked, a straight beats four to a flush, as well as a set. If both of these players are calling/raising your pot-sized bets, and you know you have the best of it, I would consider it a leak in your game to not make the turn more and more expensive at each opportunity. Once the board pairs or the flush card comes, it's a contest to see how cheaply you can get out of the hand/recalculate your outs. That's my opinion. If you're made and vulnerable, get it in there. Ultimately your opponent is making the mistake - unless he has something like an open-ended combo draw, in which case you gotta hope he doesn't get made. |
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| Check out www.propokertools.com , which allows you to simulate various situations - like a multiway pot w the nut straight/no redraws vs. a pair and a fd vs. a set - and tells you what your equity is. |
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You say get out when your hand gets beat, I say wait your place to have the nut hand. Don't waste your money praying that the str8 holds. |
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| We bet and get raised? It's a little situational, but it's generally a fold. Here are two more hands that I didn't simulate that we should be worried about: 7s8hQs2c 7s8hTsJh The best we can do is chop, we're dogs here - this is called a freeroll, where two hands have the current nuts, but one hand has redraws to a better hand and the other does not. When you get action on the flop w the current nuts, it's important to have redraws in order to be able to continue. I'm assuming 100bb effective stacks here - the raise can get us pot committed in a hurry depending on betsizing, whether it's a raised pot, etc. |
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Good description. One of the most difficult things for beginners to pick up (especially hold em converts) is that some Nuts are waaay better than other Nuts and that in some situations, the current nuts are a pretty crappy hand. |
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If you're playing against someone competent, you're burning money. |
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| That is why in omaha even with the nuts it is sometimes best to just lay off the gas. In the hand example, you can just see that like half the deck makes our hand very weak. Waiting for a good turn and/or river is never a bad idea since we can still get a lot of money in but with a lot better equity, given that the board does not worsen and if it does, it is easy to get away. |
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once to a straight flush, once to higher quads.. |
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| a set is not a great hand in omaha it kills your hand i think because hold em guys love sets they get married ti them in omaha and get killed it is something like falling in love with A-2 people play it like there is always a low hand bet after the flop with no low cards and watch them fold the math still applies just more outs that kill sets |
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| re: Flushes in Omaha poker Play any set besides top set in Omaha with extreme caution. Set over set is much more common in Omaha and if you play your bottom or mid set, end up filling up....there's a decent chance that you may have been drawing dead the entire time - I see people get stacked in situations like that every time I play Omaha. |
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Think of sets not as made hands but drawing hands (to a boat). Top set is quite powerful on most flops and you should bet/raise/shove with it majority of the time. Middle/Bottom set can be very good, especially against certain opponents (against others you must play them very carefully), but they can also loose you lots of $$$ if you aren't careful with them. Making the 2nd or 3rd nut boat and then stacking off against someone who is really eager to get the money in is burning money usually. I can't stress enough though that you must be careful how you play middle/bottom set and who you play it against. In many situations bottom set is simply a fold. |
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| when I find 2 suited cards on the flop , I usually fold except if Ive double pair or very good hand, then I try to see the next card if doesnt cost much, otherwise I just fold. Dont be so sure when you have Queens / King + suited to hit the top flush, so many times theres always Ace + suited that beat you. WHen Ive Q or K + suit , I try to play it without push, if at river none raised then possibly none has Ace and then I do a small bet for optimize the win. |
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