finding the fish at your tables using pokeracehud

#1 27th June 2007, 2:44 PM

ok wanted to do a post to kind of show you how to find the bad players at your tables. I will number the seats as they appear in pictures.

finding the fish.JPG (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5107&d=1182952057)

1. Not enough info on this player
2. Not enough info on this player

3. No info on this player

4. Looks like the start of a maniac style player
these are the players we check out strong
hand to and fold marginal ones.

5. Boarderline Nit/Tag these are the players we can
take control of the hand and will pay off use if they
also have a strong peice, but be careful they only
run top hands. If he is betting get out of hand if he is
checking bluff him.

6. Total fish - he runs too many hands and
is way too passive, just price him in
all the way down.

finding the fish 2.JPG (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5108&d=1182952057)

1. total maniac - Just let him bluff off to us

2. A lag that seems to have gotten unlucky
good vpip, good agression but needs
to raise more preflop.

3. fish= runs too many hands and is way
too pasive

4. fish/maniac = this guy is more maniac
then fish, runs way way way too many
hands. dosent raise enough preflop
but is aggressive postflop. BLUFFER!

5. No info

6. not enough info

#2 27th June 2007, 3:24 PM

It would help if you had which each stat was.

am I correct here?

Left side:

VP$IP
PFR % ?
Aggression factor?

Right side

Not sure what the first one is.
# of hands you have info on
total profit / loss ?

#3 27th June 2007, 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Effexor

It would help if you had which each stat was.

am I correct here?

Left side:

VP$IP
PFR % ?
Aggression factor? postflop aggression.

Right side

Not sure what the first one is. - went to showdown.
# of hands you have info on
total profit / loss ?

yes everything you said was right, sorry about that forgot to put that.

#4 27th June 2007, 4:26 PM

what would u classify these stats as?

VPIP: 29.6
PF Raise: 19.8
AF: 2.78

lol these are actually my stats, just curious how you would classify me.

And, the 18.8 VPIP person that you have classified as LAG I would consider 18.8 VPIP as more TAG than LAG, I dont see too many people (maybe 1 out of 10) with that low of a VPIP in many of the games I play at bodog.

#5 27th June 2007, 5:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bw07507

what would u classify these stats as?

VPIP: 29.6
PF Raise: 19.8
AF: 2.78

lol these are actually my stats, just curious how you would classify me.

And, the 18.8 VPIP person that you have classified as LAG I would consider 18.8 VPIP as more TAG than LAG, I dont see too many people (maybe 1 out of 10) with that low of a VPIP in many of the games I play at bodog.

standard tag is 12% to 18%, lag would be 18% to late 20%. anything under 10% is a nit and anything over 30% is maniac.

as for your stats I would concider it Lag boarderline maniac. but it could also mean you are just running real hot right now. I would like to see your raise percentage preflop to be closer to your VPIP, I think you are limping too much.

#6 27th June 2007, 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormswa

standard tag is 12% to 18%, lag would be 18% to late 20%. anything under 10% is a nit and anything over 30% is maniac.

Is this your personal opinion or is this from a documented source?

I would tend to debate that a player with 21/7/1.6 is not necessarily a fish. Sure the 1.6 is passive, but IMO the 21 is not quite loose enough for a fish and the 7 is not quite passive enough PF. I'd say he was closer to a Rock. I'd also say a 25/5/1.5 is your borderline fish.

Just my opinion.

#7 27th June 2007, 5:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSticker

Is this your personal opinion or is this from a documented source?

I would tend to debate that a player with 21/7/1.6 is not necessarily a fish. Sure the 1.6 is passive, but IMO the 21 is not quite loose enough for a fish and the 7 is not quite passive enough PF. I'd say he was closer to a Rock. I'd also say a 25/5/1.5 is your borderline fish.

Just my opinion.

are you not comparing his PFR to his VPIP?

that is what makes him a fish not just his vpip?

there is no documented source, its all about reading the numbers and formulating your own opinion.

but in most people I have ever talked to a 27/7/1.6 is big time fish and a calling station.

if his aggression would be higher I would call him boarderline LAG/Maniac

#8 27th June 2007, 5:49 PM

Quote:

standard tag is 12% to 18%, lag would be 18% to late 20%. anything under 10% is a nit and anything over 30% is maniac.

as for your stats I would concider it Lag boarderline maniac. but it could also mean you are just running real hot right now. I would like to see your raise percentage preflop to be closer to your VPIP, I think you are limping too much.

I am running quite hot right now, and I think the limping too much is my small blind completion. I just cant resist not playing out of the small blind most of the time, something I really have to fix.

#9 27th June 2007, 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bw07507

I am running quite hot right now, and I think the limping too much is my small blind completion. I just cant resist not playing out of the small blind most of the time, something I really have to fix.

Lol I was just talking about having the same problem

#10 27th June 2007, 6:34 PM

As far a vp$ip the rules I use draw the lines at 22 and 35, with anything in between those numbers "slightly loose" (with a good aggro. factor this is where a LAG would be). PFR should be 75% of vp$ip according to GreenPlastic (fairly well know internet pro).

#11 27th June 2007, 6:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aliengenius

As far a vp$ip the rules I use draw the lines at 22 and 35, with anything in between those numbers "slightly loose" (with a good aggro. factor this is where a LAG would be). PFR should be 75% of vp$ip according to GreenPlastic (fairly well know internet pro).

also know as taylor.

#12 27th June 2007, 6:50 PM

Personally, I think those are okay for a full table, but not for a 6max table. I expect opponents to play almost 22% on the 6 max tables.

#13 27th June 2007, 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord962

Personally, I think those are okay for a full table, but not for a 6max table. I expect opponents to play almost 22% on the 6 max tables.

I dont take any single number to decide how good someone is I use stats together. If someone is a 22.2 but only 8 PFR im pegging him as fish right away.

#14 27th June 2007, 7:06 PM

6max i could def consider 18 on the tight side of lag

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