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  #106  
17-10-2007, 7:17 AM
combuboom
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we definitely don't have enough poker is rigged threads around here. what we really need is someone to bump one that's 2 years old

oh, there we go
 

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  #107  
17-10-2007, 7:19 AM
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rofl nice combo
  #108  
17-10-2007, 7:21 AM
xtreme_calibur
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phildinn
I told you before I have heard it from someone who worked for a site first hand. The sites pay so much in vigs to the payment processors now they are stepping it up. Hasnt anyone noticed how bad it has gotten since the laws in the US have changed. Its like they are desperate to get as much money as they can. The only people interjecting to say it isnt rigged are affiliates, and representatives of the sites. I am sure a few others take time out to respond but why???? there is so much money being made by the sites and the affiliates why wouldnt they massage you and say its not rigged , if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it probably is. If you think its rigged your are probably right and you are. Stick to live poker when possible, the same bad beats happen but not nearly as often...Now that is an indisputable FACT.
i beg to differ-according to pigpen02 in a recent post, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then cook it for dinner. Thanx!
  #109  
17-10-2007, 1:47 PM
Genso Hikki
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phildinn
Stick to live poker when possible, the same bad beats happen but not nearly as often...Now that is an indisputable FACT.
You're right, it IS an indisputable FACT. Of course, silly little me always thought it was because you see so many more hands online than in a live game...
  #110  
17-10-2007, 2:41 PM
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this so many more hands thing is realy over rated Mr. affiliateIneedpeopletokeepplayingsoItoocollectrake . I see 35 hands an hour live and 60. So give it the benefit and say I see twice as many hand online as live. I dont see quads every day live. I dont see river one outers or two outers half as often as online not a fourth as often as online but maybe 1/20th of what I see online. The last time I played a ring game online I saw two straight flushes one beat the nut flush and the other beat a full house. 40 hands I played and saw two straight flushes. People say You see so many more hands. Bologne. An online session for me is 2-3 hours. A live session is 7-10 hours. I see more hands in a live session than I do online.

I love the people who say how hard it would be to manipulate just certain peoples cards or they say I am an IT guy and they cant do that. BOLOGNE. Give the programers some credit they can do exactly what they want specificaly how they want it. Online poker is not poker it is a vehicle for for businesses to make money. The game being played live is different.

So please may the next affiliate or part of the system please step up and refute what I am saying.
  #111  
17-10-2007, 2:49 PM
Genso Hikki
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First of all, I'm not an "affiliate" or "part of the system." I'm a normal poker player who occasionally enters an online tournament. There's no way to for me or anyone else to "refute" what you're saying to your satisfaction because your mind is already made up and any evidence to the contrary of your claims is dismissed by you as being provided by "the system."

There's no reason to argue with someone who won't listen. The best thing is for us to quit trying to convince you that online poker isn't rigged and for you to stop trying to convince us it is.
  #112  
17-10-2007, 3:24 PM
dakota-xx
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phildinn
this so many more hands thing is realy over rated Mr. affiliateIneedpeopletokeepplayingsoItoocollectrake . I see 35 hands an hour live and 60. So give it the benefit and say I see twice as many hand online as live. I dont see quads every day live. I dont see river one outers or two outers half as often as online not a fourth as often as online but maybe 1/20th of what I see online. The last time I played a ring game online I saw two straight flushes one beat the nut flush and the other beat a full house. 40 hands I played and saw two straight flushes. People say You see so many more hands. Bologne. An online session for me is 2-3 hours. A live session is 7-10 hours. I see more hands in a live session than I do online.

I love the people who say how hard it would be to manipulate just certain peoples cards or they say I am an IT guy and they cant do that. BOLOGNE. Give the programers some credit they can do exactly what they want specificaly how they want it. Online poker is not poker it is a vehicle for for businesses to make money. The game being played live is different.

So please may the next affiliate or part of the system please step up and refute what I am saying.
Why do you play online and what are you doing in an online poker forum?????

Honestly - if I believed what you believe I would be done with it all and embarrassed to admit that I play.
  #113  
17-10-2007, 3:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phildinn
BOLOGNE.
You usually see "Baloney" in this context.

(seinfeld)

You went with Balogne?

(/seinfeld)
  #114  
17-10-2007, 3:45 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, it's spelled "Bologna"

"I dont see river one outers or two outers half as often"

That's correct. You only see river one outers 5% of the time whether you're online or not.

And lol if you think that you see more hands live than online, unless you're using an automatic dealer/shuffler.
  #115  
17-10-2007, 3:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota-xx
Why do you play online and what are you doing in an online poker forum?????

Honestly - if I believed what you believe I would be done with it all and embarrassed to admit that I play.

This isnt just an online poker forum.
Hey anyone out there play live poker, you know the real game?

surely you could come up with something wittier.
  #116  
17-10-2007, 3:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor IX
If I'm not mistaken, it's spelled "Bologna"

"I dont see river one outers or two outers half as often"

That's correct. You only see river one outers 5% of the time whether you're online or not.

And lol if you think that you see more hands live than online, unless you're using an automatic dealer/shuffler.
please learn to read before you reply , you obviously didnt read what you have replied to.
  #117  
17-10-2007, 3:55 PM
dakota-xx
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phildinn
This isnt just an online poker forum.
Hey anyone out there play live poker, you know the real game?

surely you could come up with something wittier.
I noticed you skipped the first part of the question lol. And yea - with your 20 or 30+ posts you definitely have spent more time in here than I have and would know a lot more about what this forum is about. My bad....

Let me do a brief search of our live poker discussions... okay done. Funny I didn't see you in any of them lol.
  #118  
17-10-2007, 3:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor IX
If I'm not mistaken, it's spelled "Bologna"

"I dont see river one outers or two outers half as often"

That's correct. You only see river one outers 5% of the time whether you're online or not.

And lol if you think that you see more hands live than online, unless you're using an automatic dealer/shuffler.
If you are seeing river one outers 5% of the time your proving my point. Please call someone who knows what odds are then write back that you have found the answer.

You know casinos have these things called automatic shufflers. Yeah you see the dealer puts the deck in a box and it shuffles for him. Then he uses another deck to deal. Then when the hand is done he pulls one deck out and puts the other in. Its realy neat too cause these people are profesionals and can do it quite quickly. Dont respond if you have no reference point to work with. In a 7-10 Hour session of live poker I see many more hands than 2-3 hour session of online. I see twice as many hands and many fewer action flops, full houses, flushes, stratights, quads, outkicked top pair, etc.

If your playing online you have no reference.
  #119  
17-10-2007, 4:45 PM
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rofl @ bologne

oh, and as for bumping a 2 year old thread to troll, please stop.
  #120  
17-10-2007, 5:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phildinn
If you are seeing river one outers 5% of the time your proving my point. Please call someone who knows what odds are then write back that you have found the answer.

You know casinos have these things called automatic shufflers. Yeah you see the dealer puts the deck in a box and it shuffles for him. Then he uses another deck to deal. Then when the hand is done he pulls one deck out and puts the other in. Its realy neat too cause these people are profesionals and can do it quite quickly. Dont respond if you have no reference point to work with. In a 7-10 Hour session of live poker I see many more hands than 2-3 hour session of online. I see twice as many hands and many fewer action flops, full houses, flushes, stratights, quads, outkicked top pair, etc.

If your playing online you have no reference.
You got the part right about the automatic shufflers in the casinos, but you saying you see twice as many hands as online is complete crap (yes, I do play live, and usually for much longer than 2 or 3 hours when I do). And trust me, the same kind of action hands happen live. I've been involved in a few myself.

Anyway (yawn)...
  #121  
17-10-2007, 6:02 PM
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yeah.before online poker people would blame the dealer for their badluck now they are blaming the softwares...?
  #122  
17-10-2007, 6:13 PM
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It definitely seems that way, but I'm not yet convinced. For I've seen crazier things happen on a real deck. Just last weekend in live play, I got suited hole cards & flopped a flush 3 hands in a row! Flopped!
Amusingly, one opponent said "that chit doesn't even happen on-line". lol
  #123  
01-12-2007, 12:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye
Can someone explain to me exactly how you could rig a room or a site? I personally think it is close to impossible and to understand how a server system works, what inputs would have to be made for each room etc... it is a huge undertaking. Plus, why have you never heard a employee blow the whistle, or an oversite agency do an investigation? Plus the fact that i make the bet, raise and call. I don't have to...it is a independant choice for me to bet 2-5 off, or A-A.
It is not a big problem to set up random number generators to favor certain numbers that have limits (like cards 2 thru A, 52) and have the deal favor all chipstacks over say 5000 chips. Not to the exclusion of the others just the curve would be move over and higher count cards go to the heavier chip stacks. What would the house gain? Faster thru-pass of money. Do they do that? I don't think so because some talented math kid could record the hand and produce the results curves and expose them.

I would like to see the poker places online use one random shuffle and freeze the cards for the complete round. Just like real cards, instead of leaving the remaining number float which is what I think they do. If anyone knows differently I'd like to know that.
  #124  
01-12-2007, 2:38 AM
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Of course it isn't rigged. I pride myself on being one of Englands worst poker players and I still carry on playing. If it was rigged, the sites would occassionally shove a few wins in my direction. Come to think of it, they may have done but I was too crap to play the hands and probably folded them instead.

Besides, as far as I know, a "rig" is a horse that hasn't been castrated properly. It can still fire the odd blank every now and again but doesn't stand a chance of going on to the finish.

Sound familiar?

Snowman

XXX
  #125  
01-12-2007, 3:41 AM
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/thread plz
  #126  
01-12-2007, 3:56 AM
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Don't we have enough of these threads already?
  #127  
01-12-2007, 4:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mjavor
To answer your question, the sites have a lot to gain. If a bad player constantly keeps losing all his money or never placing in the payout, he will not return to that poker site. There are a lot more bad players then good players, so if all the bad players never win, then they will quit. So the sites have to let the most horrible players make bad beats and rig it so they make money, to keep them coming back.

You have to know what I am talking about. Sometimes, near the end of a tournament, you see some of the players and think there is just no way this guy could make it this far. Then you check his win/loss record and it’s horrible, and you know that it’s the poker site letting him make some money to keep him hooked.
Ok I'm going to stop reading this thread for now after this post and post to it....First off, everybody is a bad poker player when the first start, no matter what. If a person is smart and they suck they wouldn't be playing real money tables anyway. There is NO way that this would be a good logic for a poker site for the fact that they make money off of anybody in a hand building a rake, or paying entry fees. The bigger stakes always max out the rake.

I just find this amusing...
  #128  
01-12-2007, 5:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeterkid925
I've been playing realy money latly, I've noticed people are a lot more aggresive with real money, I also hit better cards, just in the past to days, I've hit quads 3 times.

Cheater!!!!! LOL I need quad power too please give me some of your winning cards. Ive been on a cold streak when it comes to hitting quads..
  #129  
01-12-2007, 6:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus

oh, and as for bumping a 2 year old thread to troll, please stop.
It's now a 3 yr old thread, and it's still being trolled! We don't get enough of this TRIPE AND POPPYCOCK on a daily basis, we gotta dredge up tired, old TRIPE AND POPPYCOCK. It's enough to cause sane and sensible poker enthusiasts to send out a call to that legendary righter of wrongs, the peerless and fearless
EL KABONG
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This thread has been kabonged!!!And, don't you forget it!
  #130  
02-03-2008, 5:27 AM
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The companies get a percentage of the pot. They can take note of the hands that rake in the most money. Then, just have the program have a couple more of those hands every hour.

It isn't impossible. It's just not right.
  #131  
02-03-2008, 5:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willba
The companies get a percentage of the pot. They can take note of the hands that rake in the most money. Then, just have the program have a couple more of those hands every hour.

It isn't impossible. It's just not right.
But it's easy to tell if someone's tracking it. Random is predictable in the long run. And why are you bumping a 3 month old thread with a post that has almost no substance?
  #132  
02-03-2008, 8:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willba
The companies get a percentage of the pot. They can take note of the hands that rake in the most money. Then, just have the program have a couple more of those hands every hour.

It isn't impossible. It's just not right.
Very nice 1st post! Take a thread that's 2 1/2 years old, bump it with no point, make some banal comment with no supporting evidence, and a ridiculous premise.

I'm going to do something I rarely do. If you had bothered to read any of the rest of this tired, old dead horse, right above your insightful observations, you'd have seen the following. And, it's fully as applicable now as it was then:

It's now a 3 yr old thread, and it's still being trolled! We don't get enough of this TRIPE AND POPPYCOCK on a daily basis, we gotta dredge up tired, old TRIPE AND POPPYCOCK. It's enough to cause sane and sensible poker enthusiasts to send out a call to that legendary righter of wrongs, the peerless and fearless
EL KABONG
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This thread has been kabonged!!!And, don't you forget
  #133  
22-10-2008, 8:54 PM
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Now I remember why I make it a point to not open these "rigged poker" threads. I think I'll tape a reminder to the side of my monitor.
  #134  
22-10-2008, 8:57 PM
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Why don't we bump this thread again so that we can see all the rigged stuff from 3 yrs ago to remind us that ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED OMGS.
  #135  
22-10-2008, 9:04 PM
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OMG. Did the one bumping this not read the other posts? Seriously, read the date of the last post in a thread before you bump it. Especially if it's a lame "OMGPOKHERISSORIGGEDED!!" thread.
  #136  
22-10-2008, 9:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by holdemteach1
Yes, but it seeems like everything in online poker comes in streaks. One day you'll be catching every river card and the next you can't get a facecard. I believe online poker is rigged, you just gotta play the rigging system.
Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopy89
i used to think that online poker was rigged, but after seeing some unreal stuff at our home games, i am believing that it is not rigged. I watch wsop on television and you can see some amazing hands that happen in online games. soo i guess its not rigged!!!!
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