Ever get the feeling that online poker is rigged?

Exactly! What hackadart fails to realize is that the poker sites get MUCH more rake when more players play their hands. They make nothing when you fold...so they give players much better starting hands, flops, turns and rivers in general to keep them betting (thinking that they must win, even though they probably wont). Common sense tells you that this 'rigging' WOULD make the poker sites much more money. After all, who would want to play at a site (and pay there) just to sit and fold every hand for 30 minutes? They 'rig' the hands by making them unusually strong in order to keep it more exciting and the keep you hooked. This is not random, and is designed to unfairly generate more rake for the site. I do not need statistical proof of 10,000 hands to see this, just a little bit of commom sense and knowledge from playing real poker. Obviously, if hackadart only plays online he may not see much variance, but playing for real in casinos will give you a much better perspective of how often you see the kind of hands that you get online. (No, in real life you will not flop 2 pair or a nut flush on 90% of your hands...)

***Disclaimer*** This is NOT a bad beat story


^ that right there explains it all within the first seconds.









wat about the lakers and. KObe,Shaq, Jhonson.kareem etc etc.

Can you explain what you are saying? I honestly don't know what you are trying to get at.

The Lakers acquiring Kobe, Shaq, Magic, and Kareem have nothing to do with the draft position of the Lakers. (Although Magic was drafted first overall, it was because LA acquired Utah's pick for Gail Goodrich. Who? Exactly, I have no idea who this guy is/was!!)

My point concerning the Knicks, was that eventhough the worst team has the best chance at winning, they haven't for several years. Anything can happen. AA pre-flop is great, the best you can get. But it's only going to make up, at most 40%, of your hand.

On a side note, I rarely go all-in pre-flop for the first 5-10 hands of a MTT freeroll since people will call anything and usually catch something.

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I have wondered that myself, although normally only after I have a bad beat...lol. I don't seriously think it is.

No Ive been playing 2 years and had alot of bad beats come my way but I dont believe it is rigged. Pokersites got nothing to gain from rigging games, they just want to make their money which is fair enuff. If you think its rigged, dont play. Thats all there is to that.

dude basketball and poker dont mix too well.

True, but the NBA draft lottery system is all about odds and that's what poker is; playing the odds and hopefully beating the odds.

I don't think it's rigged. I do get frustrated when stupid players get lucky, though. I also think there are alot of cheaters out there!

I really don't think that they are rigged on the concept of setting up hands...but I do believe that that ALOT of the sites put in bots to play hands. So sometimes it is like playing a video poker game...just my two cents. Most likely I'm full of Stuff!

JMHO....Where there's a way to gamble, there's a way to cheat. I personally feel they can but it would be almost impossible to prove it. I know players who have used trackers and played over 500000 hands and the ups and downs are tremendous. Will we ever know if they cheat probably not. I only deposit in sites with good reps and that have been in business over 5 years.

I don't think it is rigged but however since it is RNG it doesn't know odds. All it knows is #'s. It doesn't know that to get a specific pocket pair is 220:1 or that any pair is 16:1. It just deals out the cards.

However I may say it may be rigged cause the Royal flush for some odd reason tends to come up on most sights at least once or more a day.

I guess it's possibility that there is someone regulating how much one can win but at the same token I doubt seriously that a popular gambling website could get away with something to that degree. I do however feel that the blackjack tables on gambling websites are definantly rigged. There is definantly someone watching how much you can win.

Its always in the back of my mind when i get beat by crap cards when i raise the pot and the guy calls with 38 and cracks my aces.

There has been times I thought that but after playing real tables and getting just as crazy of situations come up I think most tables are fair to everyone. Seems that some situations if you don't take the risk your card seems to always come after you fold lol..... oh well. We keep coming back
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i didn't think the poker sites were rigged until i played this hand in a tournament. --> i was sitting in the small blind and got aces, i raised it up from 60 to 400, got reraised by the big blind and the reraised from the 1st position, 2nd position went all-in. so i raised all in and the others called....turn em over its my aces vs. kings, queens, and queens. flop is all blanks....turn is a king, river is an ace...the odds just seem impossible.

Every poker site I play 9/2 suited or unsuited,if i get a few times i know i'm going to lost big time always 9/2..strange or just plain poker.

Well I am sure that you have the stats in poker tracker to prove that action flops are being dealt. Oh wait no you don't, you just think that you have seen to many "action flops" get the stats 10,000 hands will do and then someone might acknowledge your requests

It just doesn't make sense, create a program to see other players cards and sell it for 49.95. Ya right

Show me the stats, the software is available. I have thousands of hands in my poker tracker from various sites and there are no discrepencies. I understand your point about why a site might want to rig for action, but it simply is no happening. If you think that KJ o in middle position is a hand worth playing you will certainly beleive that sites rig flops for action.

Pokerroom dealt over 3 million hands yesterday.

sometimes i think thats so. but i also think that some of them sites just kick u off the games if u question them about something. i don't know i just really love the game poker any kind.

hack...i don't need pokertracker...you don't need it either...play at imperial poker once, and you will see what i'm talking about. i play enuf brick and mortar poker to know the difference. so...until you play that site, i don't expect you to respond to this post. if you do play that site, i would'nt use your pokertracker, it might start smokin from all the bogus numbers you will be getting. go play that site, THEN let me know.

from what i have seen, i think paradise poker might be rigged. i have never seen so many people catch rivers after going all in with crappy hands

do i get the feeling man there r so many sites that you play on and you would think its not but then something always happens to make you think it is but i have to say live games r sooooooooooooooooo much better but i will still play on them cause its a great game and a good party poker gl to you alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llll

Ive stopped playing paradise poker.......I had a good run for a few months after starting...and I heard a rumour that after you first cash out......you'll never cash out again, I thought how can this possibly be true...anyway......5 bad beats in a row after cashing out and Ive never been back.....(ok, Ive entered a few WSOP freerolls)

but its true......As I took my money out of the system, it was like I was blacklisted......as if my name had been bought to big brothers attention.....


anyway.........the people saying, how can this be true as why hasn't there been any whistles blowers from the inside......well, why does more than 1 person need to know about the dealing software? it can easily be kept under wraps by 1 - 4 people

If u dont believe there is nothing to gain by rigging pokersites and allowing certain players to win hands they shouldnt , you are so wrong. I have played online poker for well over 5 years and have seen the worse of the worse. I can't say they rig certain hands in certain situations but i can say that garbage players seem to get rewarded more often than not. Think about it, someone brought this up earlier, if a site keeps making bad players lose, theyre going to take their money out and not play there. But when these players catch in certain situations, like 2 or 3 outers constantly it gives the player a false sense of security that they are winning on skill and will eventually play higher stakes and so on. This is just an example of this, heres the scenario: An average or even below average player is losing more frequently than winning and he's playing say a nickel table or ten cent table. He has a hand with some outs but is a huge underdog in a larger pot. The player hits one of his few outs and wins a huge pot;for his bankroll anyway. What is the first thing this player is going to do now that his bankroll is above his average. Hes going to go to higher stakes, thats what most will do anyway. Now that he's on higher stakes he will have his raked hand amounts increase, when he runs out of luck on hands he shouldnt play he will still be at a medium on money where he can still afford to play the higher stakes when he's down and they are making much more off him now. Think about it, one of the most common mistakes in poker is when ur losing that ppl will try to win it all back at once. When these players go down quick like that, they give the sites no opportunity to collect of raked hands or buy ins , etc. It may be a strange theory , not conspiracy lol, but it does make sense.

Well, in regards to bringing up rigging hands and whatever i honestly dare someone who plays on pokerstars to bring this to their attention. If you are lucky you will run into a support person who is in a good mood and will only get a harassing warning. I personally know of 4 people that have been permanently banned from the site for questioning the site about their "random hand" stuff. Luckily none of them lost a great deal of money and got out quick but you will never find more bad beats than pokerstars and i dont think its just the peoples style of play. I witnessed people with one outs on str8 flush draws catch( my buddy who got banned from the site was victim to this), and this was at a $5/10 table. There was 215 dollars in the pot after many preflop raises and he flops the nut flush and the horrible player who chases calls the all in after the flop and river is 6 of diamonds. I know there is always the small percentage but when you lose out on a pot that was well over 350 dollars u tend to get mad, so dont tell me that these sites give u explanations and tell you its random, because they give none and get rid of ppl who question. Sounds kinda like the Nazis huh, obey and follow or youre done for.

One more thing to add on to my response which is now considered a short story, is it just me or does it seem like since the popularity of poker and t.v. has gone up so hasnt the "river beats". Come on now, i know its just the fifth card but think about one thing, if someone knows they are beat on the flop and fold right away, what excitement is that. They want to give you strong hands to start and make sure you have outs so that u stick in the hand and keep contributing money. We all know the more money in the pot, the higher the rake. What fun would anyone have if hands never went down to the river, none so u tend to get unusually strong starting hands and seem to lose more often than not.

in my opinion, i say they have aa rigged to lose 75% of the time, but i think thats because i have played that hand more times than any other hand, and got burned by it online to where i dont put money on anymore, i just play freerolls

yeah, the thing with pkt aces is......new players will never fold them....never.....so if they see a flop with the aces...and there is an open ended str8 draw on the board..with 4 diamonds on the board too......they will call a massive bet from someone and lose to a flsuh for instance and go on about it being rigged....but it was bad play for not folding the obviously beaten hand.


Also on paradise I see that whenever there are 3 of a suit on the board 2/3 times someone has a flush...or (which is the killer) 2 people have the flush only one hand is slighty higher...(this happens alot....) I thought flushes were harder to get than str8s? not at paradise its not, they do there own shit over there....

You guys are all joking here with the rigged comments, doom switches, flops for action and heavy hands right? At first I thought you guys were serious but i realize i have just been the victim of a very good joke. Kudos to you all.


BTW if it is rigged I hope they never change it.

If you are a good player and always get your chips in with the best hand there is only two possible outcomes: 1) WIN or 2) Get Outdrawn.
60% favorites don't win 100% of the time, thats why they are 60% favorites and not 100% guarantees.

I know I won't change anyone's mind on this, but I'll put in my .02 anyway.
There is definitely something up with online poker. I'm not sure what it is and I don't complain too much because I have won money. Every now and then I just get a feeling that I should be in a certain hand. It doesn't matter what my cards are, I just get a feeling that it's my turn to win. I think that I am somehow picking up on patterns of the RNG and my gut tells me the hand will go well for me. I also think other people pick up on this as well and that explains how someone can all your huge preflop bet with 83o and hit an amazing hand. They just pick up on the patterns. It's simple really.

I agree......Ive noticed that when I play a monster unpaired hand and hit nothing.....I often see the very next hand the flop would be perfect for the hand that previously hit nothing.......so its offset...and the pattern will interwine and then your hand will hit.....Im gonna make notes and work out the pattern.....if it was rigged in any way then there would be a pattern...no matter how complex there will be one.....Im gonna investigate

OF COARSE sites can be rigged! I can't believe so few agree.



There are 2 ways I have recognized for sure:

1) Hands set up for LARGE betting. Some sites are renowed for incredible bad beats on a continual basis. How does this benefit the site? Larger rakes. If you multiply , lets say, a 5 cent larger rake, by thousands of hands per day, that's an awful lot of extra money

2) House players. By this I mean players hired by the site. Count how many times you have you seen, what at best you call idots, where their play makes no sense what so ever, even for a novice.. Here's an exaggerated example: the player calls on a re-raise holding red pocket 2's and an AKQ of spades are on the flop...and the "idiot" ends up winning with 4 of a kind. The big question is...Why were they still betting into the hand after the flop????? They may not be bad players, they may be House Players, folks. And what about the perpetual raisers? Could they not be hired hands increasing the house rakes?

Yes this could all be conspiracy theory, as I'll personally never be able to prove any of it, but let’s not be too naive. This is all possible to set up and the patterns are there, everywhere.

I hope, at least, I've given the skeptics some food for thought



Oh! P.S. to any casino …player for hire …lol

Blah, blah blah, rigged. Blah, blah, blah, cheated. Blah, blah, blah, too many bad beats. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

You have got to be kidding me. I didn't read this until today because I knew I would be blown away by the lack of intelligent thought contained in this thread. But as they say, curiosity (and boredom) killed the diablo.

I am amazed. These online cardrooms are freaking cash cows. They don't have to take a dime to make a killing. Why would they risk all that money for a few more cents on each rake? I have an answer for you, THEY WOULDNT.

As many serious online players out there that use tracking software and see thousnds of hands as there are and not one case of a site being officially accused or investigated for rigging hands. Its rediculous to asume because you got sucked out on X number of times out of 10 that something is fishy. Just like hackdart said, being a 60% favorite isn't a lock and you're only going to bring that hand home 60% of the time over the long run. You may lose with it 10 times in a row, slim, but a possibility.

I think this all boils down to peoples unwillingness to accept failure due to their own actions. "It has to be rigged or I would have won that hand." mentality. As for the guy questioning why sites deal a royal flush so often....you have got to be shitting me. Most poker sites deal more hands in one hour than you will see in 2 years, let alone 24 hours, so that comment was just plain thick. Take off the tin-foil hats people. Online poker is NOT rigged.

I am an educated guy and have been a regular visitor to Las Vegas for twenty years. I have seen a lot. However, what I see in online poker defies the imagination. Do I believe that some systems "encourage" staying in the pot by giving several people great hands - yes. Online is sooo different from in-person poker in Las Vegas.

I am going to Las Vegas this weekend and will spend mega hours at the poker tables. You can bet that I will be comparing what I see in person with what I have been seeing online.

Stand up and starts slow clap.......

So true diablo, I mentioned poker tracker a few times and the responses were absolutely sideways. There are millions of us using pokertracker and similar programs. These programs give us the ability to ensure that the game is fair on top of using it for game improvements. Before anyone else makes a "its rigged" claim please find someone who has posted actual "evidence" that sites are rigging anything. That evidence would include software statistical data.

Good Luck

I seriously doubt they can rig a poker website and like they care they receive money automatically, no matter how you do. No matter what there will be players who draw out on you, and if there werent any bad players how would you win. These websites make thousands of dollars even if you cant tell they do, not like it matters if they lose a few horrible players. Besides if they could rig the games everyone would go broke fairly quick. By the way if you could post the actual percent of hands you play on average, if you play more then 20 percent of them your going to suffer a ton of bad beats. I play approximately 10 to 15 percent of my hands and win about 55 percent of my hands if i see the flop and about 75 percent in the show down, and early on in the tournaments and other things i do brings down these percents and they are still rather decent. When you get to playing every suited card you got, connectors, and every pocket pair you will suffer a ton of so called bad beats which makes you think these are rigged. Almost every experienced player will play about 10 percent of their hands and it they should have plenty of chips. Even if your stuck not playing a hand for 20 hands who cares the blinds will hit you once or twice, and youll lose about 2 percent of your stack if that, i would rather do that then go in with marginal hands and hit something then get out drawn all the time. Doing this really makes it seem like bad beats, and makes it seem rigged. Try playing more premium hands and if you dont hit then let it go. Even learn to let go of pocket aces or kings if you have to. If you go all in with these hands with like 5 people someone will more then likely out draw you. 7 8 9 all suited comes out toss those pocket aces instead of shoving in the rest of your stack. If someone gos all in and you think there bluffing let them have it if its early who cares if they get 20 of your chips, let them have them instead of wasting everything you have on a hunch. Try playing less hands and avoid things like ace 9s ace 8s and stuff like that i see many people lose huge stacks on hands like that because they flop aces. These poker sites arent rigged the same people may win but its because they know how to bet when they hit the nuts and dont go all in with multiple people. Someone is bound to outdraw you that way.

I told you before I have heard it from someone who worked for a site first hand. The sites pay so much in vigs to the payment processors now they are stepping it up. Hasnt anyone noticed how bad it has gotten since the laws in the US have changed. Its like they are desperate to get as much money as they can. The only people interjecting to say it isnt rigged are affiliates, and representatives of the sites. I am sure a few others take time out to respond