Does level of play really increase much in higher sit n gos?

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  #1
26th November 2009, 9:53 AM
Xavier
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: NL Hold em
Does level of play really increase much in higher sit n gos?

I have recently been playing $5 and $10 sit n gos and don't notice much difference between the two.
I want to build up my bankroll a little more before I switch to higher ones, but I was wondering if the $20 and $50 sit n gos are actually really any harder to beat than the $10 ones, at which I am making a consistent profit.
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  #2
26th November 2009, 9:59 AM
WiZZiM
 
Online Poker at: Ftp, Pkr, Ps
Game: 8 Game
yes, most over 30 tend to attract mostly regulars, depending on what time of the day you play on.. sometimes its like 8 regulars and one fish, pretty hard.. i dont notice too much differance from the 5 and 10.. just differant regulars.. depends a lot on what time you play... if its prime time in america, its usually tougher, prime time in say italy or somewhere like that where poker is just starting then the games are easier
  #3
26th November 2009, 10:00 AM
WiZZiM
 
Poker at: Ftp, Pkr, Ps
Game: 8 Game
but even the 50's are beatable id say you get maybe 2 fish.. depending just a bit harder obv with bankroll..
  #4
26th November 2009, 12:13 PM
bmfbpi
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
what i've noticed is that even at higher level sitngo's the same applies : in the beginning the fish will go broke, things start to even out in the middle of the tournament, and then towards the end it gets a bit harder because most of the guys that last that long know what they're talkin about
  #5
26th November 2009, 1:16 PM
WiZZiM
 
Poker at: Ftp, Pkr, Ps
Game: 8 Game
yeah but theres not as many fish, so ROI decreases
  #6
26th November 2009, 1:31 PM
dakota-xx
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
I don't play above $11's yet so can't give you advice based on experience. But from what I hear - the competition will definitely get harder as you move up.

But with that said I watched a video of a $109 sng the other day and there were 2 people on that table who had no clue how to play a sng. I am anxious to watch more to get a better overall judgement but it was encouraging lol.
  #7
26th November 2009, 1:44 PM
WiZZiM
 
Poker at: Ftp, Pkr, Ps
Game: 8 Game
re: Does level of play really increase much in higher sit n gos? poker

yeah, generally there will be 2 fish sometimes only one, my friend plays in the higher buy in SNG they are pretty tough
  #8
26th November 2009, 4:36 PM
Gamble1996
 
Online Poker at: Full tilt
Game: Holdem
Some of the players in the $50 SnG are super tight !! Even folding JJ,QQ , I would rather play mid/high stakes than Micro SnG's , where you have people shoving with 7 2 !!!!! I kid you not!!!!
  #9
26th November 2009, 11:42 PM
WiZZiM
 
Poker at: Ftp, Pkr, Ps
Game: 8 Game
they are super tight for a reason, so that they can use their sound icm skills later on. theres pretty much only one way to play a sng correctly and you cant really veer too much away from that, its kinda robotic sometimes..
  #10
27th November 2009, 12:04 AM
Tonky666
 
Online Poker at: full tilt
Game: hold em
i play some $22 lol dominate from start to finish,but cash tables ruin me,the $20$30 limit not hard...
  #11
27th November 2009, 4:53 AM
cardplayer52
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: holdem
I play mostly $5.50 and $11s and see absolutely no difference between the two(as far as level of play). I've also watched(sweated) someone who playing the $30 and $50 games and I did see peole making the same donkish plays. I think it was a $50 game and hero had KK villian 3bet and called AI w/his 42s. The guy I sweat says the $50 level is where he sees some really good players though. But there still is enough bad players to make the moneyz.
  #12
27th November 2009, 6:00 AM
EthanVK
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: all forms
I think the higher buy-ins are tougher to win because 7 or 8 players are playing super tight with the blinds low. But once the blinds start getting really high, it basically turns in to who has the best luck when people start pre-flop shoving every play.
  #13
27th November 2009, 2:22 PM
ukaliks
 
Poker at: Stars
Game: Monopoly
Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota-xx
I don't play above $11's yet so can't give you advice based on experience. But from what I hear - the competition will definitely get harder as you move up.

But with that said I watched a video of a $109 sng the other day and there were 2 people on that table who had no clue how to play a sng. I am anxious to watch more to get a better overall judgement but it was encouraging lol.
It'll b rich kids using daddys credit card to play poker and sit down on the $109 tables and play like a fiiiiiish hehe.
  #14
28th November 2009, 3:19 AM
Pbland
 
Online Poker at: FT,Bodog
Game: Holdem
re: Does level of play really increase much in higher sit n gos? poker

I've definitely noticed better play at the >$20 sngs. There are still some people who are extremely aggressive at the higher tables, but mostly it's tight, aggressive players. If you can exploit the extremely aggressive players, you can do well at the higher levels.
  #15
28th November 2009, 5:26 AM
SystEmsuX
 
Poker at: ?
Game: freedom
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pbland
I've definitely noticed better play at the >$20 sngs. There are still some people who are extremely aggressive at the higher tables, but mostly it's tight, aggressive players. If you can exploit the extremely aggressive players, you can do well at the higher levels.
+1. I don't regularly play SNGs, but based on what I've read elsewhere it's my understanding that once you go above $20 buyins things get tough--a very noticeable difference in difficulty.
  #16
28th November 2009, 5:27 AM
rcrocketman
 
Online Poker at: full tilt
Game: holdem
The $10's are generally better players than the $5's. (i have statistical proof over a large sample size). It does depend upon the time of day and the day of the week that you are playing. Typically during the mid-day hours (est) you'll find a higher percentage of good players on the $10's compared to the $5's.
The $6's have better players than the $10's, and the $11 turbos have much better players than both (the $11 turbo players seem much more knowledgeable than the reg. $20's).
Think about where the young SNG grinders are playing, the guys who are multi-tabling SNGs regularly. On Stars you will find alot of them playing the $16's, on Fulltilt the $11's and then on the $33's the majority of the table are very good players.
  #17
28th November 2009, 8:41 AM
lektrikguy
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: HE/PLO/Razz
The fish are just richer. Not as many maybe but they're there.
  #18
28th November 2009, 8:52 AM
WiZZiM
 
Online Poker at: Ftp, Pkr, Ps
Game: 8 Game
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcrocketman
The $10's are generally better players than the $5's. (i have statistical proof over a large sample size). It does depend upon the time of day and the day of the week that you are playing. Typically during the mid-day hours (est) you'll find a higher percentage of good players on the $10's compared to the $5's.
The $6's have better players than the $10's, and the $11 turbos have much better players than both (the $11 turbo players seem much more knowledgeable than the reg. $20's).
Think about where the young SNG grinders are playing, the guys who are multi-tabling SNGs regularly. On Stars you will find alot of them playing the $16's, on Fulltilt the $11's and then on the $33's the majority of the table are very good players.
to extend on this, lower staked buy ins on pokerstars you will find more sharks, as they rake is lower tahn full tilt.. and the higher buy ins on full tilt you will find more regulars as the rake is better at the higher levels on tilt.

you wont find as many good players on the 10+1 full tilt, most play the 15+1 on stars
  #19
29th November 2009, 5:37 PM
peacebrother
 
Poker at: stars,Ultimatebet,ft
Game: nlhe
the 16.00 18 mans are really not much better than the 6.50 . Turbo is the way to go. 3.40 18 mans are super soft.
  #20
29th November 2009, 11:17 PM
whatafarse
 
Online Poker at: Bodog
Game: Holdem
I have been playing online since 2002, when to me playing a 10 dollar sit n go on partypoker was huge, and now i regularly play anywhere between 20-100 sit n gos. I will tell you this, you arent gonna see much difference in play. Honestly, people who are bad are bad. bad players still hav emoney and play over 10 dollar sit n gos. dont worry, i bet if u had the roll and werent afraid, u could sit at a 100 sit n go, and it would feel the same as a 10
  #21
29th November 2009, 11:29 PM
LaMinaccia
 
Game: Holdem
re: Does level of play really increase much in higher sit n gos? poker

No matter what level you play there will always be a few fish on the table but more in smaller levels of course, don't forget there are ppl out there that have money to burn and want to try poker on line without a clue.

Try and stick to your game and hope the donks don't take your cash.
  #22
30th November 2009, 12:13 AM
flipflops_n_shades
 
Online Poker at: bodog
Game: holdem
I have noticed a slight difference but nothing that would be an appreciable difference among talent levels.
  #23
30th November 2009, 1:13 AM
goborage
 
Poker at: Fulltilt
Game: NL Holdem
$60 9man SnGs are full of breakeven rakeback pros. A 5% ROI would be crushing at this stake.
  #24
30th November 2009, 3:42 AM
goborage
 
Online Poker at: Fulltilt
Game: NL Holdem
^ So yes, the games get harder beyond $10.
  #25
30th November 2009, 4:07 AM
brianvoytek
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: NL Hold em
Ive played a very $50 SNGs and the comp is better and not many fish. Love it better then the micros where they call anything because its a buck. Its a bit tougher but If you stick to ABC Poker you should cash most of the time.
  #26
30th November 2009, 2:11 PM
Xavier
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: NL Hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by whatafarse
I will tell you this, you arent gonna see much difference in play. Honestly, people who are bad are bad. bad players still hav emoney and play over 10 dollar sit n gos. dont worry, i bet if u had the roll and werent afraid, u could sit at a 100 sit n go, and it would feel the same as a 10
I hope thats true.
Think I willl move up to the $20 very soon.
  #27
30th November 2009, 4:55 PM
bigboi26
 
Poker at: full tilt
Game: hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier
I hope thats true.
Think I willl move up to the $20 very soon.
iv seen a difference between 6.50's and 27's but they are still very beatable. you can tell the regulars but like i said, beatable
  #28
2nd December 2009, 9:27 PM
negroapaz
 
Online Poker at: ftp
Game: holdem
re: Does level of play really increase much in higher sit n gos? poker

I heard that while increases tournament entry increases the quality, the problem is there are some who have enough money to enter tournaments $ 100 because mom and dad give you the $ $ to play online, and those players are the most we should find a tournament or table .. jaja
  #29
9th December 2009, 1:18 AM
ChrisKub
 
Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: Horse/OE
I find the level of play absolutely gets better, I found the preflop play to be more aggressive and there seems to be much more continuation betting/bluffing and semi-bluffing.
  #30
9th December 2009, 4:55 AM
Dantigua
 
Online Poker at: FTP, PS, SP
Game: hold em
like wizzim says, there's a formula. most have read or follow the guidelines of Colin Moshman... who's book on SnGs is considered the Bible. As with any game... you play opposite to the way the table plays: loose if they are tight, tight if they are loose. If all the grinders on the table are playing the same way... you should be able to pick up some info and use it to your advantage... hopefully this will give you slightly more of an edge..... and you don't need much to increase your ROI.
  #31
9th December 2009, 8:35 AM
ROCKNROLLA426
 
Poker at: fULL tILT
Game: HOLDEM
It gets harder, I actually played with pro's on the 30$ sit n go's. Got my ass handed to me lol. Guess I was the fish.

Rock
  #32
9th December 2009, 8:49 AM
Dorkus Malorkus
 
Online Poker at: Stars
Game: yes
$0 to $5 - huge improvement (in general opposition)
$5 to $10 - barely noticeable improvement
$10 to $20 - small improvement
$20 to $50 - huge improvement

I'm speculating beyond that, but I'd guess there would be another huge improvement from $50 to $100 and then after that it would begin to level out somewhat the higher up you go.
  #33
9th December 2009, 3:57 PM
canucks921
 
Poker at: Bodog.com
Game: holdem
Sort of depends on situation, I have been in $11 or $22 sng's where the play was weak and then for the next 5-6 times playing that level, there was fabulous play going on, I've seen the same thing at the $2 level. Bad play one game and the next game you get good players.
  #34
9th December 2009, 8:38 PM
JLtrooper
 
From my experience:

3.40 to 5.50 = slightly better players in 5.50, better postflop play

5.50 to 11 = no difference whatsoever. Sometimes in the 11's people get tricky and limp with monsters but thats about it

6.50 turbos = Better players than the 11's, great high-blind and position play.

Haven't played anything other than those yet.
  #35
10th December 2009, 2:01 AM
shoshaku
 
re: Does level of play really increase much in higher sit n gos? poker

I notice a difference even between the $5 and the $10's
 



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