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| Daniel Negreanu back ahead of Phil Ivey on the All Time Money list Daniel Negreanu back ahead of Phil Ivey on the All Time Money list: http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/pca/20...nu-077285.html http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/ranking/1 |
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1 - Sponsor commitments. Even the great Phil Ivey has to appear on camera every now and then to justify the money Full Tilt give him. 2 - Side bets. Probably the more important one as far as he's concerned. Word was when he won his 2009 deuce-seven bracelet he didn't even bother collecting his first place prize from the Rio cage for weeks after the tournament finished because a payout in the low six figures paled in comparison to the size of the side bets he stood to collect by winning. |
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| Daniel is one of the best tournament players around and it shows with his lifetime winnings. Being a sponsored player certainly helps with the amount of tournaments he plays but even before the sponsorship he was doing really well. I think Daniel will have many more tournament victories to come and the battle between him and Ivey for top earner will be interesting to watch in the coming years. |
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| daniel is a great player ive been watching him play in the part poker premier league the past few weeks he is a great bluffer and a great player therfor i think he should top the money list. but as some of u know ivey is 1 of the all time greats , so there is a chance he might comeback gl to them i say |
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There's lots of reasons. The payouts in tournaments. The prestige of winning tournaments, titles, bracelets, rings, player of the year etc. The fact that tournament play is different from live play. Lots of reasons. |
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| re: Daniel Negreanu back ahead of Phil Ivey on the All Time Money list poker Quote:
Some people might just say things like that but given the lengths Ivey goes to in avoiding the media I'd be inclined to believe him. |
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EDIT: Oz beat me to it.. |
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| I'd bet this record will change again with the playing of the Aussie Millions this month. Phil took the lead after finishing second in the $100k buy-in event last year. Odds are he'll do something similar again this year. |
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So according to you guys it basically comes down to two things, he had million dollar side bets going on with Dwan or some of the other players. Or Full Tilt made him do it. Sure. |
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He has a piece of FT, and as a poker player and a business man, he gets paid a ton of money to promote the site. He's on TV primarily for that reason -- as has been said, he really dislikes publicity. But he has obligations. You do realize that more money is made in cash games than tournaments, right? Many cash players go to the big tournaments FOR the cash action, not the tournament games. Ivey is a cash player first and foremost. While he's an excellent all-around player who does very well in tournaments too, he'd be the first to tell you that's not his preference. Believe what you will, but many pros have said, including Negreanu, that if it weren't for bracelet bets, Ivey wouldn't attend the WSOP. It's not worth his time. I think Patrick Antonious has been quoted as feeling the same way (that it's not worth PA's time either). |
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The quality of how good the reputation of something or someone is, how favourably something or someone is regarded. - wiktionary You can't in one hand say, Phil Ivey doesn't care about prestige, while in the other hand say he is a business man and has to be on tv promoting etc. Phil Ivey purely as a brand, as a commodity that can go up or down in value, as a marketing tool that is worth millions of dollars, prestige is pretty much the only thing that matters. |
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| re: Daniel Negreanu back ahead of Phil Ivey on the All Time Money list poker What? I didn't contradict myself. He doesn't care about his own prestige, but he's obligated to the company that he works for. Is it that hard to see the distinction? At any rate, you seem bent on thinking that tournaments are way more important to him than they really are. I can't imagine why when it's plainly obvious to anyone whose followed poker and players like Ivey over the years, but to each his own opinion. |
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There were no contraditictions in dmorris' posts: Ivey only plays on TV because he is obligated to by Full Tilt, or if he has side bets on that make it interesting for him to play and is still obligated to play by full tilt. He plays for the money, not the fame and publicity and would probably prefer to play off camera most of the time. |
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Daniel Negrenu, in terms of contract with PS and earning included I'm guessing around the $2mill mark. I'm sure his contract is a multi million dollar contract, most likly the highest paid PS player. In terms of playing, not sure. I don't think it will be THAT much, not as much as people would think. They will play the big tournaments, a few big on line tournaments all of which they probs been staked by their sponsors. Come on line to fulfil their hourly contract rate, play a few games then play the BIG GAME, or million dollar game (which they get paid for doing as well!) Then cash games, will just be the televised ones and the occasion visit to a casnio. I can't imagine them playing like the current grinders. Maybe 10 hours a week on average throughout a year! ps: Anyone know why Phil Ivey didn't play the HIGH ROLLER event, PCA 100k buy in? |
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Bragging rights for him isn't winning some 100K buy-in 6 man SnG, the guy freakin' played 10K/20K H$, 25K/50K H$ and 50K/100K H$ super deep in Macau recently! $1= 7.5 H$ He ended up winning around $7M that trip and later lost $4M betting on Miami Heat. Last edited by DeadlyV18 : 15th January 2011 at 8:04 AM. Reason: More info added |
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