Daniel Negreanu back ahead of Phil Ivey on the All Time Money list

Daniel Negreanu back ahead of Phil Ivey on the All Time Money list:

http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/pca/20...nu-077285.html

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/ranking/1

Damn, Phil needed that win on Poker After Dark. Maybe he shouldn't have been so pushy with pocket 6's.

Don't worry Ivey will be back on top. Guarantee

I can't imagine why Ivey would even play a tournament. The money for winning them is probably one hand in his book.

I imagine it's for two major reasons:

1 - Sponsor commitments. Even the great Phil Ivey has to appear on camera every now and then to justify the money Full Tilt give him.

2 - Side bets. Probably the more important one as far as he's concerned. Word was when he won his 2009 deuce-seven bracelet he didn't even bother collecting his first place prize from the Rio cage for weeks after the tournament finished because a payout in the low six figures paled in comparison to the size of the side bets he stood to collect by winning.

Is it just me or do these figures seem too small? Are these only tournament winnings?

Yes, I believe its only tournament winnings. Undoubtedly Ivey is the better poker player than Daniel so I'm sure if Phil spent more time in tournaments Dan wouldn't last long at the top of the heap

I heard Ivey say at a WPT final table once that he would have to finish second to just break even for the week. That's serious Gamble.

Daniel is one of the best tournament players around and it shows with his lifetime winnings. Being a sponsored player certainly helps with the amount of tournaments he plays but even before the sponsorship he was doing really well. I think Daniel will have many more tournament victories to come and the battle between him and Ivey for top earner will be interesting to watch in the coming years.

daniel is a great player
ive been watching him play in the part poker premier league the past few weeks
he is a great bluffer and a great player therfor i think he should top the money list.
but as some of u know ivey is 1 of the all time greats , so there is a chance he might comeback gl to them i say

Yeah, first place for the Main Event last year, 9 million bucks. Phil Ivey plays 9 million dollar hands every day. Yeah right.

There's lots of reasons. The payouts in tournaments. The prestige of winning tournaments, titles, bracelets, rings, player of the year etc. The fact that tournament play is different from live play. Lots of reasons.

While those are the reasons lots of other players play tournaments I don't think you'll find many of them apply to Phil Ivey. I'm pretty sure he's gone on record a few times saying he really doesn't care about the prestige, the trophies, the bracelets or anything else - the money is far and away the biggest thing for him and the payouts for most tournaments do pale in comparison to his earn rate in cash games.

Some people might just say things like that but given the lengths Ivey goes to in avoiding the media I'd be inclined to believe him.

The ME is a once a year event. Ivey plays for many millions more than that in a year. He can turn over a couple million in one cash session -- think about how many sessions he plays in a year. He has more money than god, 9M to him isn't a huge amount.

Some pros, and Ivey in particular, care little about prestige and bracelets. He's pointed that out many times. A bracelet to him is only a means to winning a bracelet bet for typically more than the tournament is worth. As Oz pointed out, he makes far more money on side action in tournaments than he makes winning them. In one WSOP (2009 I think) he had like 13 million in bracelet bets going on -- far more than he would have won in tournaments.

EDIT: Oz beat me to it..

I'd bet this record will change again with the playing of the Aussie Millions this month.

Phil took the lead after finishing second in the $100k buy-in event last year. Odds are he'll do something similar again this year.

So then Phil Ivey played the 100K buy in event on Poker After Dark for what purpose? According to you guys, he wouldn't even stop for 600k if he dropped it on the ground. And he doesn't care about the prestige, so he didn't want the title or bragging rights or anything.

So according to you guys it basically comes down to two things, he had million dollar side bets going on with Dwan or some of the other players. Or Full Tilt made him do it. Sure.

LOL, I think you have a lot to learn about Ivey and pro cash players in general.

He has a piece of FT, and as a poker player and a business man, he gets paid a ton of money to promote the site. He's on TV primarily for that reason -- as has been said, he really dislikes publicity. But he has obligations.

You do realize that more money is made in cash games than tournaments, right? Many cash players go to the big tournaments FOR the cash action, not the tournament games. Ivey is a cash player first and foremost. While he's an excellent all-around player who does very well in tournaments too, he'd be the first to tell you that's not his preference.

Believe what you will, but many pros have said, including Negreanu, that if it weren't for bracelet bets, Ivey wouldn't attend the WSOP. It's not worth his time. I think Patrick Antonious has been quoted as feeling the same way (that it's not worth PA's time either).

You're contradicting yourself.

In one post you say:

But yet in another you say:

Do you know what the word prestige means? Here I can help:

The quality of how good the reputation of something or someone is, how favourably something or someone is regarded. - wiktionary


You can't in one hand say, Phil Ivey doesn't care about prestige, while in the other hand say he is a business man and has to be on tv promoting etc.

Phil Ivey purely as a brand, as a commodity that can go up or down in value, as a marketing tool that is worth millions of dollars, prestige is pretty much the only thing that matters.

What? I didn't contradict myself. He doesn't care about his own prestige, but he's obligated to the company that he works for. Is it that hard to see the distinction?

At any rate, you seem bent on thinking that tournaments are way more important to him than they really are. I can't imagine why when it's plainly obvious to anyone whose followed poker and players like Ivey over the years, but to each his own opinion.

I'm kinda curious if Codd Brunson posts for publicity & prestige? And where he came from & why he left there?

[ ] publicity
[ ] to make friends
[ ] air time
[ ] prestige
[x] because the last place had had enough?

Ivey has said in more recent interviews that hes starting to think about legacy and wants to overtake hellmuths WSOP bracelet record.

Yeah, I saw him interviewed here in London at Full Tilt press junket and he said that he wants to overtake Hellmuth's record.

[x] to troll this thread
There were no contraditictions in dmorris' posts: Ivey only plays on TV because he is obligated to by Full Tilt, or if he has side bets on that make it interesting for him to play and is still obligated to play by full tilt. He plays for the money, not the fame and publicity and would probably prefer to play off camera most of the time.

Anybody know how much these guys make in overall poker earnings, not just tournament winnings? And how many days out of a year are these guys even playing poker? Don't they spend a lot of time golfing and goofing around?

The likes of Phil Ivey in terms of sponsors and earnings from the table is most likely the highest earner. He most likely makes more than a professional sports person. Apparently he's worth in the region of $100+ million. Not sure on yearly basis but he has a share in fulltilt which is probably earning him several million a year alone. If I had to guess, I'd say with everything, endorsements, tournaments and earnings he's in the region of $10-20million a year. Some might say this is steep but I'm thinking most of it is coming from sponsers and full tilt, he is a business man after all. Just a sidenote, there was a video of him boarding a private plane, going to a casino and writing out a cheque for $1mill to play some craps...all in his own special room. I think this is a clear sign he's is most definitely on several million a year.

Daniel Negrenu, in terms of contract with PS and earning included I'm guessing around the $2mill mark. I'm sure his contract is a multi million dollar contract, most likly the highest paid PS player.

In terms of playing, not sure. I don't think it will be THAT much, not as much as people would think. They will play the big tournaments, a few big on line tournaments all of which they probs been staked by their sponsors. Come on line to fulfil their hourly contract rate, play a few games then play the BIG GAME, or million dollar game (which they get paid for doing as well!) Then cash games, will just be the televised ones and the occasion visit to a casnio. I can't imagine them playing like the current grinders. Maybe 10 hours a week on average throughout a year!

ps: Anyone know why Phil Ivey didn't play the HIGH ROLLER event, PCA 100k buy in?

Maybe because hes a full tilt player idk if they're allowed to play it probs wrong tho

Well that was my first thought but he was in the PCA Main event so I guessed it couldn't really be that.

Possible he only flew in for the main event and then left. He plays the equivalent high roller event at the Aussie Millions most years but that's sponsored by Full Tilt.

glad to hear daniel is doing so well

Umm, yes.

Bragging rights for him isn't winning some 100K buy-in 6 man SnG, the guy freakin' played 10K/20K H$, 25K/50K H$ and 50K/100K H$ super deep in Macau recently!

$1= 7.5 H$

He ended up winning around $7M that trip and later lost $4M betting on Miami Heat.