Comments to Other players

Recently i was playing a friendly game of poker. I was bluffing another player with a decent hand, who was looking like he was ready to fold. Another player told him that he was pot committed and had to bet. He had had a lot of chips left on a big bet that could have crippled him. In my opinion, one he wasn't pot committed, two, telling him he was pot committed really hurt me, cause i was bluffing him. He was about to fold, and when the other person told him he was pot committed he bet, and i lost to ace high. He had nothing but called because someone told him he was pot committed. Am i wrong in being upset with the person who told him he was pot committed? I thought that person was out of line, influencing the other players bet.

Yes, you are not suppose to comment about a hand still in progress. It is rude to table talk especially if you are not still in the hand. At a casino you can actually get kicked out or given a time out for giving advice to another player during the hand.

You can talk all you want once the hand is finished and tell them everything they did right/wrong.

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yeah, that's BS. If someone is not in the hand, they need to keep their mouth shut.

I think you should bust the loudmouth in the chops for blowing your bluff........

Infinitly worse than the bluff itself..

Bad form for sure

Most sites have rules against talking about the hand if your not in it.
Report him.
Most sites are pretty lenient as long as the outcome is not affected, if it was, they get mean quick.

Actually, no one at the table or railing should be discussing the hand in progress. Doesn't matter if you are in the hand or not. And yes, reporting it would not be out of line. What they did was very close to collusion. And even if you don't like the word collusion, at a very minimum they violated the "one player to a hand" rule. Of course nothing significant will come of reporting this because there isn't actually any proof that he would have folded before being told he was committed. But they could get warning e-mails or something.

I have to disagree, if I am plying the hand, I should be able to say whatever the hell I want to so long as I don't reveal my hole cards. Likewise, I expect others to be able to say whatever the hell they want when playing against me, so long as they don't reveal their hole cards too.

Trash talking is a significant part of poker. I like saying out loud what you know they are thinking, "Why the hell would he raise so much, he must have something, crap, I better fold." Its fun.

In a casino, it'd be absolutely out of line and you can ask the dealer / floor person to take action.

In a friendly game, it's still out of line, but what you do about it is entirely up to you and the other players.

Then you better ply your hand in a private room and not a casino or online site.

I will repeat, no home game is complete without the hosts 3# hammer, on the table & within easy reach.

Go ahead and say whatever you want during a hand, as long as you don't violate any rules.

Advising another player during a hand is against the rules.

'Nuff said.

This is one thing that ticks me off at home games. I can't count how many times someone was about to fold but talked into staying and ends up taking a pot. The two people in the hand can talk all you want, everyone else SHUT UP! If it's not your hand, don't worry about it.

Not commenting on if it's good/bad, just saying that it just as easily could have been you were ahead and they talked them into calling with the worst of it. That said, if it's against the rules it's against the rules.

You have one bust to the chops owed by me then:

FullTiltPoker Game #3852819132: Cardschat.com $100 Added (25992695), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:12:05 ET - 2007/10/14
Seat 1: pedroman7 (1,575)
Seat 2: njpokerhoney (7,040)
Seat 3: kittyxxkat (9,940)
Seat 4: snrcreech (3,745)
Seat 5: Kenzie 96 (1,385), is sitting out
Seat 6: aliengenius (2,900)
Seat 7: combuboom (3,605)
Seat 9: dj1113 (2,810)
Kenzie 96 posts the small blind of 60
aliengenius posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius A♦ K♦
combuboom raises to 360
dj1113 folds
pedroman7 has 15 seconds left to act
pedroman7 folds
njpokerhoney folds
kittyxxkat folds
snrcreech folds
Kenzie 96 folds
dj1113: now its KaBooms turn to die
aliengenius raises to 2,900, and is all in
combuboom: wow
combuboom has 15 seconds left to act
combuboom: this is sick
combuboom has requested TIME
combuboom: AK?
aliengenius: all u can eat baby
combuboom: you should see my hand, this is sick
dj1113: do it
dj1113: u got him covered
combuboom: wow
dj1113: he's bluffin
combuboom: if i could win coinflips i might call you
combuboom folds
Uncalled bet of 2,540 returned to aliengenius
aliengenius: one player to a hand dj
aliengenius mucks
aliengenius wins the pot (780)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 780 | Rake 0
Seat 1: pedroman7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: njpokerhoney didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: kittyxxkat didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: snrcreech (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Kenzie 96 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: aliengenius (big blind) collected (780), mucked
Seat 7: combuboom folded before the Flop
Seat 9: dj1113 didn't bet (folded)

You can comment on the hand only if you are heads up in the hand. If the action is three way+, giving your "reads" of the other person is not permitted.

This has actually been a bit of an issue in some of the recent CardsChat events. I am convinced it play at least some role in this (http://www.cardschat.com/f51/anatomy-failed-bluff-95375/) failed bluff of mine.

You can't comment on the play of the hand in progress. It is ILLEGAL to:

1. say something to the effect of "oh, I folded xx and would have a flush/straight/etc." when not in the hand, or throw your arms up in disgust with a "pfft, figures. Everytime!" when the flop comes out. This tells the players still in the hand that it is less likely/impossible for their opponent to have the hand you folded.

2. give your "read" of any player to someone still in the hand. This includes commenting on how you think any player is perceived a the table, has played hands in the past, or what you think is occurring in the hand happening at the time. You can't say things like "he's bluffing" or "he knows you're tight" or "he over bet the pot on a busted draw last time" or anything of that nature.

3. commenting on the board itself: you can't say something like "there is a straight/flush out there" or "chop it up, the nuts is on the board" or similar comments. It's up to the players in the hand to recognize/read the board.

ONE PLAYER TO A HAND PLEASE.

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3. commenting on the board itself: you can't say something like "there is a straight/flush out there" or "chop it up, the nuts is on the board" or similar comments. It's up to the players in the hand to recognize/read the board.

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That drives me INSANE. The other night I was playing in a live game. I had 4,7 os in the BB and four limpers so of course I check. The flop came 5,8,A. Everyone checks again. The turn is a 6. One player raises and I call, everyone else folds. River was a 2. Player bets, I re-raise and player thinks and thinks. Some idiot muses out loud, "man, if she has 3,4 or 7,4 you're killed. She was the big blind you know." So the small blind mucks his cards, face up showing A,8.

I know most people don't think about how they are affecting the game with their comments, but there's really no excuse for it. Any serious poker player should know enough to keep their mouths shut.

then how the hell does Phil Hellmuth get away with it all da time? i see matusow and sheiky get 10 minutes on rail for cursing all the time, but phil loses and starts whining and saying f'bomb every other word, nothing is done.

That's a good question - although I admit I've seen Phil throw a f-bomb tantrum, but everytime I've seen it he moves away from the table. maybe that's the difference?

yeah he gets beat, stands up and walks about 10 feet pace behind his chair shouting F!@# the whole time. i guess thats the reason, i dunno, only been to vegas once and played at the Orleans. im a semi-regular at bally's in atlantic, but sh*t like that never occurs.

Because he doesn't comment during the actual play of the hand?
Are we even talking about the same thing here? This topic is about comments made by other players during the course of a hand that effect the decisions being made by those playing the hand, not f-bombs or insults to others.

it doesnt matter. ive seen others curse after they lose, or just get in a heated arguement and start shouting profanity, and it wasnt necessarily during a hand, and they get penalized. Take Eric Molina last years WSOP, for example. Mr "CareBear".

Well being someone who was once penalized for dropping and F-bomb at the poker table, I was told there's a couple of things that determine whether or not a player gets called out for using bad language.

1-A tournament director has to see/hear it; absent of that, another player has to report it and they have to have cooberation.
2-The cursing has to take place at the table. I can get up and cuss a blue streak, but I can't curse at the table.

3-if you have won 11 WSOP bracelets, you are excluded from this rule.

um yeah, we were talking about comments made during a hand to affect players decision. youll hafta excuse me, its EggNog season.

I'm still not sure we are on the same page here. Comments made with the intent of effecting how someone plays the hand when made heads up are totally legal. "Table talking" for information, and/or to convince someone to take a certain action are fine, provided that there are only two player in the hand, and the comments are made by one of those players.

Correct sir, but the OP was talking about how some1 not in the hand convinced his opponent to call with ace high against his bluff, and he did because of the railers comment.

Exactly. So why are you posting about f-bombs and PH's "you are an idiot/donkey" comments? It has nothing to do with this topic.

Eggnog, yum .

affecting someones decision on a hand in progress , in any way shape or form . is wrong .

this post was over 5 months old , newbie bumped it yesterday and it has had 15 posts since then . touchy subject I guess.

i guess cuz im an idiot/donkey.

Yes, recently this has been an issue for me (in CC events, where I would not have expected it). I was going to make a new thread on this topic today (prior to tomorrow's game), but saw this and figured I would post here instead.

You just 'Phil Hellumth-ed' YOURSELF !

I thought I heard recently that they softened up the profanity punishments for this year's WSOP. They weren't allowed to curse AT someone, but they could curse simply using f*** as an interjection. Personally I curse a lot when I'm playing (home game) but never against someone really. Stuff like "what the f*** do you have? or "you f***in' kidding me?" From my understanding that would be legal at the WSOP this year. If you start cursing at players, that's when you get in trouble.

I agree that these comments are out of line because they identify hands that players have or might have. I don't think it is out of line to comment on the board, though. There's a huge difference on a flop of Kc7c6c between saying "All clubs," and saying "Two clubs makes a flush," or "Someone might have a flush already." The former is something that everyone should be able to see with their eyes. The latter two are things that must be reasoned by the brain. I have no problem with people making comments that correct mistakes of the eyes. I do have a problem with correcting a mistake of the brain.

Unfortunately, you end up on a slippery slope here by making this distinction. Both comments violate the rules of poker-- if a player can not see the flop, they can ask the dealer to tell them what the cards are. It is up to the individual to recognize all aspects of the board, so saying "all clubs" or something similar is also not permitted.

This is true, but again, off topic.

yes, i have a way of doing that to myself often...now check your PM's damn it!