Collusion Question

#1 14th January 2011, 7:06 AM

I've been playing at a casino for quite some time now and have become familiar with all the regulars. Recently I've been going when tournaments have been running so I've seen an influx of new players who have no idea what they're doing. Nothing has been said and there are no "deals" but it's pretty much accepted and understood that some of us who get along aren't tangling with each other and instead are picking off the fish.

I don't think there's anything wrong with this as we're trying to get the easy money but some people might, what do you think?

#2 14th January 2011, 7:56 AM

There is a very fine line here. While there is nothing wrong with staying out of the way of better players, soft playing is simply collusion. For instance, if you are folding or not betting as much simply because you are friends with someone, then that would be considered collusion.

#3 14th January 2011, 2:13 PM

It's similar to a ruling at this years WSOP. A woman had the nut flush with no possible full house or anything better and was last to act after the river. She checked it and was penalized for it after showing. I think she did it due to inexperience or not paying attention but the rule is there for the collusion of friends soft playing each other.

#4 16th January 2011, 12:36 AM

if your pikin fish off at the table,,theres nowt wrong in biding your time,,early on in comps,, as for collusion ,,,dont think u can call it that if its your reguler casino and u no the regular players are good players not to mess with em early doors,,,if u du it late on in comps then u are a soft player and deserve all u get

#5 16th January 2011, 1:25 AM

Would be hard for some one to call you out on it.

#6 16th January 2011, 1:29 AM

If you dont want to ever have to worry about being involved in collusion, there is 1 simple thing to do. Play everybody as if you dont have any relationship with them. At the table your mother is not your mother.

#7 16th January 2011, 1:32 AM

Man, that was a good flop for me, I better fold so I don't cripple ol Dave.

As that old English guy said, " A turd by any name still smells like s...'

#8 16th January 2011, 1:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenzie 96

Man, that was a good flop for me, I better fold so I don't cripple ol Dave.

As that old English guy said, " A turd by any name still smells like s...'

I dont think it is s...

The saying goes, " A turd by any name still smells like shit "

#9 16th January 2011, 1:39 AM

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Originally Posted by marginal

I dont think it is s...

The saying goes, " A turd by any name still smells like shit "

Well, Pooffy now & then scans these threads, didn't want to risk shocking her.

#10 18th January 2011, 4:09 PM

Collusion is not where you avoid each other because you know how each other plays but collusion would be if you failed to put another player all in when you knew you had them beat and thought you could take them out.

#11 18th January 2011, 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenzie 96

Well, Pooffy now & then scans these threads, didn't want to risk shocking her.

lol

I was under the impression soft playing each other is collusion.

#12 18th January 2011, 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

lol

I was under the impression soft playing each other is collusion.

It is if it is something two parties agreed upon in advance or at the time of the play. If one party poker chooses freely to soft play another without the other's knowledge or request, then I would say it is not cheating.

#13 18th January 2011, 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CSuave

It is if it is something two parties agreed upon in advance or at the time of the play. If one party poker chooses freely to soft play another without the other's knowledge or request, then I would say it is not cheating.

Right but it seems from the OP that they do know that they are doing it to each other and aiming at the fish....
I am sure if a few of us with CC logos sat at a cash table on a site (which we do sometimes) and we purposely soft played each other and only played strong against the unknowns, and got reported, we would have consequences.

#14 18th January 2011, 5:41 PM

Here's a question. Myself and a friend occasionally play at a local card room in a tournament and agree beforehand that we'll split winnings 50/50. However, we don't play soft against each other, just the other week, she KO'd me on the final table just before the bubble when her AQ hit a Q on the river v my AK. Would you consider this collusion?

#15 18th January 2011, 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnBoyWWFC

Here's a question. Myself and a friend occasionally play at a local card room in a tournament and agree beforehand that we'll split winnings 50/50. However, we don't play soft against each other, just the other week, she KO'd me on the final table just before the bubble when her AQ hit a Q on the river v my AK. Would you consider this collusion?

No. Whatever you guys decide to do after the game with your winnings is your business. As long as, as you say, you are not playing against each other any diffirently than you would play against anyone else, this is perfectly acceptable.

My husband and I have played at the same tables many times (and of course it's a given that we split the profits, whether he likes it or not ), but we play just as ruthlessly against each other as we would anyone else. Even the people at the table will say, "Damn, that was harsh!" lol

#16 18th January 2011, 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

Right but it seems from the OP that they do know that they are doing it to each other and aiming at the fish....
I am sure if a few of us with CC logos sat at a cash table on a site (which we do sometimes) and we purposely soft played each other and only played strong against the unknowns, and got reported, we would have consequences.

True enough Pooffy..... I play with friends all the time and I do tend to avoid them but that is not softplaying. We try to stay out of each other's ways unless we both have monsters.... then it really really depends on our reads. But I will admit to calling a friend's all in with so so cards because two other people called him and I wanted to try to pick up his chips instead of someone else getting them. But if it had been another playing moving ai I doubt I would have called them with my cards. Not sure how that would be viewed.

#17 19th January 2011, 4:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnBoyWWFC

Here's a question. Myself and a friend occasionally play at a local card room in a tournament and agree beforehand that we'll split winnings 50/50. However, we don't play soft against each other, just the other week, she KO'd me on the final table just before the bubble when her AQ hit a Q on the river v my AK. Would you consider this collusion?

My best friend and I sat down to play a Satty at our local B&R. The first hand I called his min raise w/KQs. I flopped a royal flush draw he had toptop and bet and I shoved. He instant called laughing and telling me I was drawing. He was right but I won.

To the op. Use the fact that they think your staying out of each others way to your advantage. Raise/reraise to resteal pots from them. Put big bets out every time scare cards come out and look at them like "don't do it ol'dan, i got it". I do this to friends all the time when we're playing with strangers. It's hilarious.

#18 19th January 2011, 5:11 AM

Soft playing of any kind is cheating period. Whether you discuss it ahead of time, both players agree or not. I quit playing cards at both the local card rooms I used to play at for this very reason. I noticed the regulars would not bet hard into each other, or end up checking it down, when they both had big hands. Needless to say, I didn't do as good in these small card rooms as I do when I go to a large casino card room, where the players don't know each other. I pretty much avoid all small card rooms period. Except this one in Phoenix. Never had a problem there, plus they have a bring your own beer policy which is pretty awesome. lol

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