Collusion at FTP

To my fellow CC'ers...be aware of these 3 on FTP

IDKWhy
munchkinxx33
remedy5o4

I played in a game and noticed how they were helping eachother out and wouldnt you know they place 1,2,3 and not even a minute after they finished the game they register into another and once again 1 players stack would get low and they would dump chips to the them with a reraise and a quick fold...

Just givin every1 a headsup if you run into them!

wow 2 of 3 are at it again...atleast one of em has brains!

Did you report them to FTP customer service? They take collusion seriously and will look into it and ban the players if they're found to be working together.

Why don't you sent an email to support@fulltiltpoker.com. They can check the hand histories and it should be pretty obvious.

Lol i already sent 3 cause these clowns played other games after the 1 I played in...and i sent the tourney id numbers and hands for them to observe just to save them some time...I mean it was only 2 bucks but who knows how long they been doing it for!

make sure yall make a note on them so you dont forget

thats good you was on point whith that u should get a bounus for that for real thats mest up poeple gotta cheat to win

I think my bonus was a few suckouts in the following game!

THX TILT

No good deed goes unpunished.

Just because someone plays some SnGs together doesn't always mean collusion. I have some poker friends that like to play SnGs together. More of a bragging rights thing. There's some of them that if reraised by I would instafold to regardless the chip stacks. I know three guys that do this and I would be surprised if hey didn't finish 1-2-3 on a regular basis.

If what you say happened over and over (chip dumping), then FTP should find something. But I would hope that if it only happened a couple of hands FTP will let it go. Hate to see buds having fun playing together ruined for something that really wasn't collusion.

That said, if you suspect that there is collusion by all means report it.

It does happen once in a while. There are just times too that I think people are paranoid.

you chip dump one time to a friend, thats collusion. Do it in your home poker games, if your friends allow it, fine. This type of playing should not be tolerated at all. Soft playing or chip dumping should be punished at any level, at any volume. Many CCers are friends, and they play against their friends the same way - maybe even more aggressive - as they do any player. Friends should by all means take the same tables but their play should not/can not be biased to their friends. I play games with forsakenone and stevencool, and we show each other no mercy, as it should be. We are often on skype at the time, and we do not exchange any info whatsoever, also as it should be, unless the hand is over, like "was my fold good?" "na, I had 2 7 lol"

totally on point man, online is not the place to show any mercy in a public game, unless it was a password private game invite only - that's a different story.

I wonder if FTP has software they can run on players to calculate the percent chance of collusion...? Just a thought, anyone know?

I play my friends on FTP and we play fair either play or real $$...Trust me these 3 were cheating.

1 player (not of the 3) would raise and they would all come in and play together knowing they have a better chance to win with 6 cards then 2.

Once they would get into a handtogehter and 1 of them is shorstacked they would dump chips.

They did it in the game I played and the following 2 or 3 games because i watched them play

I stupidly said something and they were down to 4 players and oddly enough the chipleader sat out cause he took notice to what i said.
(chipleader was not 1of3 colluders)

They soft played eachother making it look like they were playing while he was being blinded out.

After he got to less than 5 BB's they player came back, moved all in and all 3 called and he lost.

Not soon after he busted out they all 3 moved all in with stupid hands and the game was over.

After that they played 2 or 3 games together.
I dont care what any1 says FTP will decide the outcome and i mean comeon if your gonna cheat atleast try to make it not so obvious!

I wasn't talking about chip dumping when I said: "There's some of them that if reraised by I would instafold to regardless the chip stacks."

I was talking about saving face on a busted steal.

I know what you mean but if the player had 650 and sum1 bet 645 and then instafolded, or bet the minimum postflop, turn and river then insta fold to the shorterstack what do you call that?

Thought so...

Are you really saying that if it was only a couple of times that it is OK.


Exactly, when we CCer's do what we call an "Invasion" we play against each other just as hard as we would against a stranger, and we usually have a mass chat going on with MSN and no info is ever passed between each other, occasionally I might say to the ppl not involved in the hand that I am holding AA and some donk has shoved back at my raise, but never do we collude in the Invasion games we play.
It was the following comment that I think he was refering to.
"But I would hope that if it only happened a couple of hands FTP will let it go."
Cheating, there is no other answer for it.
(I suppose you could add colluding and chip dumping, but it is all cheating).

Youve got to be kidding, me and a few of my weekly players can seek a 9 man tourney play together for bragging rights and so long as we dont collude thats ok?

Sounds a bit dodgy especially as we know how each other plays, and if we finish 123 then join another game thats ok too? Too much advantage and I think the sites wouldnt approve of it happening consistently.

So you can't play with people you know?wtf. Yes it is perfectly ok to play against people you know, colluding is not. It doesnt matter if you know 6 or more people on the 9 person table, as long as no cheating happens. He wasn't saying if they cheated a couple times its ok, just that 1 or 2 things that might seem like chip dumping may not be and is not enough evidence of anything. Like was already said if I go for a steal against a really tight short stack and he 3bets me I might not want to turn over 72o.

Make a note, report to Full Tilt, and be done with it. But come on now of course you can play against people you know.

But telling your buddies what you had on skype while the game is going on is colluding.

Yes, and...

I'm sorry but this is plain wrong. Players at the same table discussing through any other channel than the poker room's chat is cheating too as soon as someone at the table does not have access to this msn chat. The players at the same table who don't have access to the chat are at a disadvantage. If you say "I had AA" after a hand and the people on MSN see it but the others don't, you violate the "show one, show all" rule.

I have to agree. Any extra information given to other players in the same game, but not the whole table is colluding. It does not matter if those players were in the hand or not. Now if your talking to somebody who's only observing the game that is fine, except for the fact that your giving out more information than you should.

No I'm saying if it only happened a couple of times, it doesn't prove anything and FTP shouldn't do a thing. But, if FTP finds they did it on a regular basis, then FTP should take action against the players.

if this is true i hope they get caught and terminated.

thanks for the heads up.

Wow, thanks for the info dave

And another wow, this thread went downhill purrtty quick

On the very rare occasion that I have done this, there were no other ppl that were in the chat on my table, I understand I didn't make myself clear by saying "the ppl not involved in the hand" but, If my post was read correctly you will see that I said that some donk has shoved to my raise with AA, so in that situation the call by me to the shove would let everyone on the table see what I had.

Most of the time we are never at the same table, if we are, no one mentions a hand that another player in msn is in on. So no, those on MSN do not get any advantage whatsoever.

Stuff like this is very serious. I've heard that Tilt has ways of knowing if table mates are using other programs for chat. I don't know if this is true. Might be like the "don't pee in the pool cause the water will turn blue" stuff. Who knows.

Wow i understand players have other friends online and i never said they cannot play with them but even if they werent cheating using a video chat or anything else they were dumping chips and that is still cheating!

now if its was play money I wouldnt of even brought it up but when it comes to players real money something needs to happen!

But these 3 would finish 1st 2nd and 3rd in almost everygame. Now either they are just flat out lucky, super good players, or somethings fishy!

like I said i watched em play a few games and I "smelt-tuna" !

Grilled or fried?

Well never ate tuna and I fish with smelt so you decide!