cheating with open proxy?

I just read a story about a good MTT player who had more than one account and was using an open proxy to do this (although it was assumed he had because of some chat he did in the past). He has an advantage when he is on one table.

Now here is my question if someone does this i guess no one can see that you are using more than one account because your ip is different???

How in the world are pokersites going to do something about this kind of cheating?

is the player you mean: Sorel Mizzi ?

dont wanne name names cause they still investigating but you can read about it at the well known poker sites which i prob cant mension here because of "advertising/spam" reasons.

Cheating and online poker go together perfectly.

When will you guys realize??????

Cheating and poker are like conjoined twins. It doesn't matter if it's online or not.

Even if there aren't measures poker sites can do to track and evaluate cheaters through open proxy, the greed will most probably catch up with the player/individual in the short-term and it'll be the end of that person. How successful does this one person/group of players become until someone says something? It doesn't sound like a sure-fire money maker to begin with. This guy still has to beat a ton of other players if it is an mtt. Sngs might be easier, but then he'd be caught ten-fold faster imo.

in an MTT he doesn't have a huge advantage, but in sngs he might do better. but it will come to light eventually when 2 players keep showing up at the same time, playing time and time in same sngs and he will most definitely not play too many pots with both accounts. and he will have to chip dump too.

When we start losing

i hate cheaters, what does it say for yourself if you have to cheat to win, it says your Not a good player & your a Scumbag, if you cant win honestly then dont play,,,Thats my opinion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,buck

I really love to think everything is legitimate with online poker, but with questions about RNG's at every site, people using bots at multi tables and groups colluding all over the place, it really makes it hard to not feel sometimes something isnt right, but even when I hear so called legitiamte stuff it makes me scratch my head

IS THIS LEGAL - If youre gonna be a money making like the "pros" playing turbo sng 25-60 at a time use Table ninja to load your games and make your betting decisions for you and all you do is hit bet or fold, and then along with that program using hold em manager to determine the frequency of what a player does to decide if youre gonna bet or not. Ive heard different sides but it makes me wonder so Im playing a turbo SNG with some dude playing 35-60 tables at a time to increase ROI that has an automated program to tell them everything about the player, BUt I got people up in arms when I said Heck if youre gonna use all that GO ahead and just use a bot, it seems the only difference is that the bot will hit the bet or fold button for you

Help me understand this thread a little better so I can get involved in the conversation please. What is "open proxy"?

Ok i might be the dumbest fk on this forum regarding online poker. But i'll ask anyway. Fk an open proxy. Thats misdemeanor stuff.

Do ppl actually believe its impossible to invest in online cheating? I mean, u dont think we could go find a beasty hacker/programmer, see whole cards and split the profit w him? Not be retarded like the previous ppl and winning 95% of the pots but actually loose hands on purpose yet keep urself in a reasonable profit zone?

Call me crazy but theres ppl out there right now grinding on PS or FT seeing whole cards. Obviously not an overwhelming majority, but there has to be some. I'd bet my life on it in a heart beat.

I've considered this, but... :\ I dunno, lol... I'd say, there might be a FEW. Like, literally between 1 and 10 people doing it successfully. And if there are, the only way they're doing it successfully is by not being totally blatant and losing when they know they should. I dunno, I don't see it being too much of a problem really. Blatant guys probably get caught. I've been e-mailed by Full Tilt and recompensed once for a tournament I played in with a cheat. Gave me my buy-in back, lol. Dunno if it was just two guys colluding or if it was a full blown superuser hacker or what...

A proxy is way to route your internet traffic. That usually includes all traffic, email, web browsing, online poker, online games and so on. They actually go back decades probably. Back in the day, smaller businesses, schools and such would use one to cache traffic and then if another person called up the same website, it wouldn't have to go out to the internet, just to the proxy. Ton quicker and saved bandwidth back when it was very expensive to get any real speed.

An open proxy is an extension of that. Basically it's a public proxy that disguises your original IP by rerouting all of your traffic. And you can configure a computer to route to the proxy first and then the proxy sends it the final destination.

Now in this case, what's being suggested is that he had one computer configured normally and the other using the proxy. What the poker site sees is 2 different originating IP address which disguises the whats actually happening.

Of course though, they have full records of every hand, every game and can run queries on their databases and still find out what's really going on. And I'm sure that it's configured that if certain scenarios play out, it trips a red flag.

*sigh* Not possible with either PS or FT. Nobody is doing this. The only people who can see everybody's hole cards is the site themselves.

I think this thread is heading to the rigtard thread...

+50 50 50 50 50 50 50 due to derail... OP is interesting topic though

I'll name names Sorrell Mizzi is a cheat. Oh and I'm sure you can mention 2p2 lol

Sorry, can someone please explain what a open poxy is and how it is cheating. Sorry everyone I'm still pretty new at online poker. Only been playing it within a year.

For an already good player, I reckon having 6 accounts in a tourney is a huge advantage

Sigh, before you post on a forum bitching about software. At least take the time to educate yourself how the software works before you start bitching about it and making yourself look like an idiot. That's not how Table Ninja works and not really how HEM works.

Advantage sure, till you get caught. Which will eventually happen. Usually come cash out time.

How many times has Mizzi 'angle shot'? If I'm correct, this would be the third time. How many times do we give a guy a break?

GRUNCH

has the conversation been confirmed as real? I know when I saw it on 2p2 there was a disclaimer but I dont know if it has changed, not following this too closely.

I used to use proxy server for HU, but ended up beating myself up. Don't do it!!!

no super users....theres poeple that hacked into the pentagon u honestly believe no person on this earth can hack fulltilt or pokerstars?

That's good!

LOL

By the way guys a proxy is one way. Others include. Playing on your regular DSL/Cable while also playing on broadband internet like ATT or Verizon. Also if you play from one location and can use something like team viewer to play from another IP.

If we can think of these things than the cheaters got all kinds of plans.

Yet another reason why most people should not be in a rush to move up in levels.

Who has hacked into the 'pentagon's network'? There is no such thing. The pentagon uses the same network that the rest of the DoD uses, and even then there is not extremely important information that could have been compromised. The could probably care less if someone hacked into the nonclassified network. As for the classified network, hacking into it is completely impossible. Back to poker software, most sites utilize 256 bit AES encryption which is approved by the NSA for classified information. There is no human being or computer powerful enough to break this encryption. There is no doubt that one day this will be broken, but not any time in the next couple of decades. The only way that users can see whole cards is by social engineering. There must be a disgruntled employee or someone looking for a 'side job' for this to happen. Remember: 256 bit encryption = impossible to break thus far.

You're not losing because of people cheating

While I'm not surprised that misinformed and not-very-computer-literate people think this is possible, trust those of us who know what we're talking about when we say, nobody is viewing your hole cards on Stars or Tilt (or most any other room these days). Why? The only hole cards transmitted to each client, are that client's hole cards and showdown hands. Hole card information for everyone is only available at the server end. Connections to the server are secured by SSL and high-level encryption, typically AES256, which is unbreakable. The only way someone could access the server and cheat by using your hole cards, is if it's from the inside.

In the very, very early days of poker, some rooms transmitted everyone's hole cards to every client. Obviously this, combined with lax or nonexistent encryption standards back then, led to a lot of poker cheats at the time. But they were eventually quashed.

Going back to the superuser scandals that people keep referring to, the inside job scenario is exactly what happened. These were carried out by employees, former employees, and the friends they shared it with, using a known, intentional back-door on the server (not the client) that they could login to and watch hole cards as they played. It was not done via the client software. These were not hackers, and not necessarily even computer literate people. They just knew how, and had access to do so already, to login to the server backend and see everything that was going on. It was not something that the public at large, or even hackers for that matter, were able to do. When it was discovered, the server software was audited and those back-doors were closed, shutting down this avenue permanently.

Recently Cake and Ultimatebet were found to be using in-house, substandard encryption protocols that were easily decrypted *if* the attacker was within your network (i.e. in your house, dorm, etc. or accessing your wifi connection). All this showed, however, was that person's login credentials and hole cards. So while they could have theoretically cheated *you* they could not do so for the whole table. Both were reportedly fixed, or soon to be fixed, promptly after the reports surfaced.

So there really is nothing to worry about, especially from the likes of PS and FT who are state-of-the-art when it comes to their technology, unless you just want to be paranoid of rogue employees cheating you. In which case I guess you're also paranoid of any other online business that has access to your sensitive info and money, such as your bank, credit card company, etc.

^^^ This.

Actually hacking into the pentagon and the DoD is entirely possible. China's done it twice in the past couple of years. They used teams of attackers and eventually got in and took some valueable info. Now as for hacking PS of FT less likely because individual people just don't have the man power or computer tech to do it. And as stated earlier you wouldn't be able to see everyone's whole cards anyway.

The Pentagon's network has obviously been infiltrated in the past, but comparing a nation state's attempt to a typical poker hacker is kinda silly.

That said, having worked for the DoD and knowing others who do, it's no surprise they're vulnerable. Outside of the NSA, the US government has never been the hallmark of IT security. Plus they're a huge organization with a ton of potential points of vulnerability.

With few exceptions, the civilian commercial sector is typically well ahead of the typical government organization in terms of IT technology, plus they tend to have a much more narrow exposure point.

Although it's not as bad as it used to be, I'd be willing to bet a serious hacker would have an easier time infiltrating a DoD network than PokerStars' network.

oh i realize now that the government isn't as high tech as individuals think (just recently started working for a government organization myself). But my point wasn't really to compare the levels, but merely to point out that the pentagon could be hacked for valueable info.

Any system can be hacked. There's no such thing as unhackable. Dont let all the Ivey commercials and fancy names associated with it fool u. Ivey represents FT cuz he gets a fat check, not cuz he approves of it. Ppl r talkin about FT/PS like they're Google or Microsoft. Ridiculous.

I'm nowhere near as smart as a hacker but give me a superuser account u'll die not knowing im seeing whole cards. Its as simple as that. Now u can imagine how sophisticated a hacker would be, concealing such an advantage.

Dont be fooled ppl. PS/FT is, can and will be hacked.

I LOLed.

btw your tinfoil hat is crooked...

Subtle collusion is almost impossible to detect. Just used a couple times a
session to win a big pot or two. And colluders who have got caught even won a major tournament get welcome back with open arms.