Cash game help

OK heres what happens. I have no way to get money into my account at Stars so I play the Hubble freeroll, get into the weekend, and walk away with $1.60. Eliminated when I shove with 77 vs a donk's A2. Of course I'm not too happy, but I wasn't doing very well in chips anyway so I walk away with the money in a relatively good mood, then take $1 to a $.01/$.02 cash table. I play quite aggressively there, take down most pots, most on bluffs, but a few I had real hands in, and all is going well, I'm up to about $2.30. Then disaster hits, and before I know it, I'm out, thanks to hands where I actually got something, and at least one case probably got outdrawn (probably two, cause i folded, can never be sure), another rivered, and another outkicked on trips. So I lost a dollar at a table of passive "fish" type players when executing my agressive style fairly well (at least I feel I was playing well enough).

Here's the graph of profit:


Here's my stats in the session:
VP$IP: 63.64
PFR: 40.26
W$WSF: 52.08
WTSD: 18.75
W$SD: 22.22
AF: 3.83
AFq: 62.16
3Bet: 5.88
Fold 3B: 40.00
Att To Steal: 75.00
Fold BB to Steal: 50.00
Fold SB to Steal: 0.00

It seems from the numbers like I was playing somewhat like a maniac, but it wasn't the bluffs that killed me, it was my good hands (2pair 3 times, and trip once), so I'm not sure if I would want to become tighter at least at this table. When I did get my hands, I was playing off my aggressive loose image, and was able to get the pots big, but not take any of them down. Seem more like a run of bad luck (only 77 hands), or bad play, and what particular aspect of my game seems the weakest based on my stats?

Also, I would like to give this another go, but only have $.60 left, and need a full dollar to sit down, so I'll try to work it up off $.10 sitngos unless some good soul will send me $.40 No, I'm not asking for transfer of funds although if someone wouldnt mind sparing that, I wouldnt complain lol

Since your starting with freeroll winings and there limited i whould recament just useing "hit and run" at the cash tables sit down with 1$ and when u win a pot just take the money and sit at another table with 1$.
Its going take long and be boring but might work. But obvs. there is allways a big chance of going broke from such a small BR.
U might also just whant to grind at the freeroll until u get a litle bigger and then move to the ring tables.

Good luck hope the grinding pays off!

looks like i shouldve hit and run, but the players at that table were too fishy that i just wanted to stay around and win more, but didnt work out too well

You can't take $1.60 to a NL table and expect to do well. It just won't work.

A good player has to be prepared to lose up to 10 buy-ins on one bad streak. One buy-in isn't even a bad streak, it's a blip.


With less than $10, the only thing I can recommend is the .10 cent, MTT sit-n-goes Stars offers. If you are remotely decent at MTTs, these aren't hard at all.

With only .60 cents, there's still a chance you'll bust, but it's your only shot.


And when you sit down at a .02 table for half a buyin, you certainly can't be bluffing. That's horrible strategy.

Everything Sindri said. I prefer the .25 tourney $100 added for very low bankroll. In the .10 you have to finish top 10% just to get buyin back. In the .25 ITM payout starts at 2x buyin because of money added. I think I've cashed almost 2/3 of them and there is a shot at a real payday. Almost inevitable to go bust in ring when you're so low.

coz im in a good mood, i sent ya 40 cents, don't think about coming back asking for more though, its a one off since im in a good mood and your clearly really trying since youve even got pokertracker

omg thanks man ur amazing i wasnt really expecting it i was just gonna ask my friend but he was runing low also so dont have to cause of you. i'll tell u guys how i do, and if u ever need some and i do build a bankroll, then i'll remember that, dont hesistate to ask

if im down to .50 ill start playing those sitngoes or maybe those 360's but theyre way long and im just trying to make quick money at this point...

just lost it all against some fish who pulls flops out of his ass. i figured he couldnt have the middle cards 3 times in a row but oh was i wrong.

lol

most of the time there were only like 4 players tho

lol i'm good

This is an insanely bad attitude, you shouldn't put a time frame on making money. You want to be at a stage where you don't even check that cashier to see how much you have. You just play poker since if your a good player, you will win money in the long run. I havn't looked at my bankroll for about a week and a half since i know i'm playing good poker and are making the right decisions, so i don't need to look to see how much money i have since it's kinds irrelevant if you know what i mean

Why can't you get money into your account on pokerstars?

You should quit poker, to be honest, if this is your attitude. You will not be good at it.

uh sure... poker has made me money overall so im good enough at it, no need to be a dick.

I'm not. I want you to do well at whatever you do, and I don't want you to frustrate yourself at something you won't be good at in the long run.

The *best* case will be for you to change your attitude, and then you can be a great poker player. But if you don't, you won't.

We've all seen players with your attitude a million times. They are impatient, they think that tourney they won awhile back proves they are good, and they don't understand why they keep busting out to all those "donks."

Poker isn't just about cards and bluffs, it is about risk management. When you just want to "make quick money," you aren't managing your risk properly and you will bust out time and time and time again (as you are already noticing).

There are *no* poker players on this planet good enough to sit down with less than a buy-in and turn it into real money. You might as well just play blackjack or roullette.

Take our advice and play the .10 tourneys and you *might* make the money last long enough to do something cool with. Otherwise, you have almost no chance whatsoever even if you are some kind of magical poker prodigy.

I like how everyone who beat you was a fish. I understand this is a frustrating game but don't blame everyone else. I think you don't appreciate how random (how much variance) poker is and that is your problem. It sounds like you push too much when you miss the flop and overplay top pair. BTW 77 games played is not very much to build a track record on. My database showed a median profit over 3,000 hands before I blew up.

u should try full tilt...i like it works for me but thats just my opinion

but wat do i kno rite i just joined here

You have money to buy PokerTracker... but you don't have 40 CENTS? Is this even a serious thread.... you've gotta be kidding me. Maybe you should go get a job... pays AT LEAST 8 bucks an hour.

lol

PokerTracker has a free 60 day trial. Do some research before you insult someone for no reason.

Maby its a trial PT or maby he bought it a long time a go and then withdraw all his money from his poker acount.
The fact is u have no idea why he does not have money in his poker acount so just leave him alone.

Btw nice first post and welcome to CardsChat where we try to be FRIENDLY

My apologies... I will be friendly from now on. Ihatecowboys >> As your new friend.. I would highly recommend you get a job... it will make you a LOT more money than poker will at this rate. Then when you can save some money, deposit more because if you're trying to learn the game... playing $1 S&Gs will do as much as playing with play money. I would try to deposit $40 or so and play the $.25 / .50 S&Gs...

And good luck!

Why did I spend my time reading this thread? It said Cash Game Help. I thought you seriously needed some help with your cash game and I could learn something as well. This is not a cash game help question its a life help question. The Professor is right. Find a way to start off better. This is the 21st Century in America. If you cant get a couple of bucks to start you off to good poker playing then you need help with your life.

Come on guys, that's a little harsh. Lots of people try to get into poker starting from nothing. It's a good way to learn the ropes, so to speak.

No I am giving this guy some help. You want to learn to play. Play with play money first. Then read books and Card Player. Then get some real money and make a deposit so you can play freely without thinking about having to win this game or die. Thats how you learn to play. Chris Ferguson did it after he was Chris Ferguson the World Champion. Lets not forget that.

I'm going out on a limb and guessing not many people here are quitting their day job for poker (maybe dreaming of it)

I'm getting better at poker *because* I lost my job. Does that count?

Dont say that i dream every night about sating in to the WSOP and wining it

no, everyone who beat me is not a fish, just the guy who called a huge raise with 64 and minibet (2 cents) when he hit trips. if that isnt being a fish then what is.

there was one hand where i DID get my bluff and lost a considerable amount, but i think it was more because he hit 2 pair on the river than because he knew what i was up to, but what im saying is I lost all my money when I actually had my real hands, which is what frustrated me. I even tried to bet a bit higher on the turn in one case, but the guy HAD to call. well wouldnt you know it, only one card needed for a straight, and only one for a flush, and well i'm there sitting with 2 pair. same with the guy who raised with a gutter and then hit it on the next card... its just frustrating, and not exactly great poker thats winning. i'm winning less than 20% of showdowns, and its not cause I'm a calling machine or needlessly toss chips in the middle on the river. it's cause im getting outdrawn on the hands i want to take to the bank, and not because im slow playing them.

Everyone will hit long stretches of bad luck in poker. You're desire to play at levels you can't really afford guarantees you will bust every time this happens.

I think this is your biggest problem. Im a fairly LAGgy player and I Dont think Ive ever had even close to these stats over 77 hands, even at 6max, and especially not at 2NL.

Why can't you deposit though? Only reason I can think of apart from not having the money is that maybe you're underage, but even then (not that I'm condoning this or anything) finding someone who is old enough and plays isn't that hard.

I've thought about that echeck thing, but didnt want to go directly through the bank. dunno why I'm worried, just seems like something could go majorly wrong and all i want is a few dollars lol

some reason visa doesnt like pokerstars

I do think I may have been slightly too agressive, but nobody really challenged me, cause they were all passive players. only one guy even considered reraising me and he only did it twice. I do have to work on getting tighter tho cause better players dont let you boss them around. I was taking down 50% of all pots.