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  #1
1st November 2009, 5:24 PM
CAMurray
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: all 3
CardsChat 2010 WSOP Entry Fee MTT, Very Unofficial

I searched and failed to see if this has been proposed before but I’m sure this would rally huge support. You always hear how some player at the WSOP was supported by, or entry fees paid by his local poker club or home game friends. My idea was to have a series of tournaments designed to allow one our best CC players to rise to the top while slowly gathering the funds that would be necessary. We would then sent this player to the WSOP financed by moneys collected over the series of tournaments. It would totally be a trip to see Snow or Debi, next year sitting at one of the final 2 tables wearing a CardsChat baseball cap. How much money would be needed and how you guys would amass it, is up you, I’m just an idea man.

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  #2
1st November 2009, 5:52 PM
ThomasShea
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: HORSE
That is a great idea

Yeah i hear a lot of those stories, watching the main event, how people paid a friend to play or just sponsored by a group. I think cardschat is a great site with tons of friendly players and could definately send a player to play maybe 2 tournaments, which would be great. It's going to be hard though, cardschat supports a few different poker sites and not all players play at all sites. So, which site should the player be chosen from? I think full tilt is possibly cardschat's biggest supporting poker site. Maybe from cardschat's buyins+there freerolls, they can do some type of points system? Each tournament they should throw money to a pool and then by the end of the year, there would be enough money for a trip. Every little amount helps, and I believe this is a great idea. Truly liked the post, good luck to you
  #3
1st November 2009, 5:55 PM
tenbob
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: Holdem
Keep an eye out. We ran a series of qualifiers on Party Poker last year for the main event, and one of our members F Paulson went and played.
  #4
2nd November 2009, 9:18 AM
DaBigBoss
 
Plays at: ultimate bet
Game: holdem
Yeah! I would love to be a part of that...someone make

this happen..it sounds like it is doable
  #5
2nd November 2009, 10:22 AM
GordonStr222
 
Plays at: POKER_STARS
Game: HOLD_EM
I think thats a great idea.... Hopefully the cardschat leaders can make something happen....
  #6
2nd November 2009, 1:02 PM
dakota-xx
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
Well there is talk of this every year - but finding a way to make it work has never happened.

The problem is that if it is a leaderboard type of thing then part way through it the people with no chance of winning would start dropping out. The we would never end up with enough money.

Most of our members don't have the bankroll to support playing in the kinds of tournaments we would need to have to raise that much money. You would need at least 12k raised - and that would probably not cover everything.

If we could get 50 people willing to risk $240 - then we could do it. But we would really have to ask for all of the money up front. I don't see us coming up with 50 members willing to part with that kind of money.

And yea the Party Poker thing was great - but most members could not participate and the turn out was tiny. It is highly unlikely they would ever offer us something like that again.

Don't get me wrong - I would love to do it!
  #7
2nd November 2009, 3:44 PM
CAMurray
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: all 3
re: CardsChat 2010 WSOP Entry Fee MTT, Very Unofficial poker

How about a series of Daily CC-WSOP tournaments with a $3.50 buy in.

The tournaments would be set up exclusively for CC members like the freerolls with a pre-submitted list of possible applicants, only all CC members are welcome.

Once a member wins one of the daily tournament, they are in the finals and can no longer play in the preliminaries.

Depending on how the preliminaries go, the goal would be @ 25K which should provide enough funds for myself and another winner to have a comfortable Tournament in Vegas.

For example if the tournaments (which would dramatically increase CC membership) averaged 54 entries per game, per day over time, extrapolated from the current $5 Full tilt game to a projected increase in interest over time, it would take 22 weeks to make our goal.


{ 25K Goal/[$54gathered per game*$3per entrant(.50 going to Tilt or Stars)]}/7days in a week=22 Weeks.

The finals would consist of a given number of seats, say 180, which would give ample opportunity for all CC regulars who win an opportunity to the finals while at the same time building the bankroll to support the trip.

In addition to the tournament fees, I’m sure there would be some added monies from CC available and/or Full Tilt or Stars as part of standard business advertising.

If by the end of the scheduled preliminaries, not enough funds were collected for two to make the trip, then we just send one, just make this is clear to all who enter.

But, It’s my opinion that this would become very popular and we would have no problem making the 25K over a 3-4 month period.

On a given date, there would be the Final Tournament with a super size stack and 12-15 min blinds and two lucky schmucks would be headed to Vegas.

The only down side would be the rapid increase in CC Membership applications just for this venture and all that entails.

Recommended Tournament name : CardsChat 2010 WSOP Full Ride




Last edited by CAMurray : 2nd November 2009 at 3:54 PM.
  #8
2nd November 2009, 5:23 PM
dakota-xx
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
^^^That would not work for a lot of reasons. We can not set up daily restricted lists for any tournaments - it is way too labor intensive for us and for the poker sites - who honestly would not even do that.

It would be a miracle to raise half of that amount to send one person - we would never be able to do it for 2.

Your goal of having 54 entries per day 7 days a week is way too optimistic. We get 50-60 entries in the CC FT tournament because it is in a prime time slot on a Sunday and $200 is added to it. The entries in our other buy-ins is more like 20-30 average.

The money would have to be collected from the winners every day - the sites would not do that for us. So we would have to trust that the money won every time would be transferred to us. In that many tournaments it would never happen.

Your time and effort in thinking that through is appreciated - but it would never work.
  #9
2nd November 2009, 6:16 PM
CAMurray
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: all 3
Or, not.











  #10
2nd November 2009, 8:00 PM
Grossberger
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
How about setting up like 3-4 different ways of doing it and having a poll, to see what the members would be willing to do. Have different buyin amounts and tournaments per week scenarios and see what the members would be willing to do. I'm actually going to be joining a club that is having a WSoP qualifier. What they do is each saturday night they have a single table 10 player tournament $120 buyin winner gets seat in final 2nd gets $100. once there are 10 people for the final table those 10 play and winner gets $11000 cash to play in the WSoP or whatever. Like most people I would go out and play in a couple super satelites for the main event and probably play in a couple $1000 r $1500 buyin events.
  #11
3rd November 2009, 8:30 AM
Dagon7
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
Make it 49!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota-xx
Well there is talk of this every year - but finding a way to make it work has never happened.

The problem is that if it is a leaderboard type of thing then part way through it the people with no chance of winning would start dropping out. The we would never end up with enough money.

Most of our members don't have the bankroll to support playing in the kinds of tournaments we would need to have to raise that much money. You would need at least 12k raised - and that would probably not cover everything.

If we could get 50 people willing to risk $240 - then we could do it. But we would really have to ask for all of the money up front. I don't see us coming up with 50 members willing to part with that kind of money.

And yea the Party Poker thing was great - but most members could not participate and the turn out was tiny. It is highly unlikely they would ever offer us something like that again.

Don't get me wrong - I would love to do it!
I'm in!
but only if it's on FT.. OK another logistical problem.... but what if it was a tourney a week where the top 3 were entered into the final like they do with the freerolls on tilt, so say a low buy in to attrackt players like $2.50 -$5 with %25 going to the grand prize and a large payout field instead of heavy on the final 3 as they would be getting entry as compensation.
Just a thought
  #12
4th November 2009, 12:44 AM
stellerteller
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Razz
Would love to see something like this from Cardschat. I love playing with all the CC'ers. I think if we can set it up where you can buy-in to this event for $240 or something along those lines and offer a tourney at Fulltilt once a week with a $5 or $10 buy-in where the winner gains entry to the $240 tourney would be awesome! Run it once a week, or once a month. That way there is a great game to play and a great reward. Hold the finals in May or something, the $240 buy-in. What do you guys think? Logistically, it may not be plausible for the 2010 WSOP but we may be able to run it for the 2011 event. That way if there is just 40 people in the event or 40 pre-events held, the cost would be covered.

Last edited by stellerteller : 4th November 2009 at 12:50 AM.
  #13
4th November 2009, 3:38 AM
smd173
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: 8-Game
Just pick me to go. I already have the CC hat and t-shirt so we can save $15 off my entry.
  #14
4th November 2009, 4:15 AM
XPOKERCHIC
 
Plays at: FULLTILT
Game: HOLDEM NL
re: CardsChat 2010 WSOP Entry Fee MTT, Very Unofficial poker

That is a great idea. Cardschat has some very good players and one would get in and win it. Just imagine. X
  #15
4th November 2009, 4:20 AM
aliengenius
 
Plays at: CC LB games
Game: ON !
Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota-xx

If we could get 50 people willing to risk $240 - then we could do it.
Pre-pay for point based tournament series = simple enough.
  #16
4th November 2009, 6:21 AM
arahel_jazz
 
Plays at: FT, PS, & Ultimatebet
Game: Holdem
My viewpoint on this is - why does everybody have to take a swing at the Main Event? I realize its the "ultimate reward", but really, economics does come into play. Why not a smaller target like Event 54 ($1500 NLHE) a week or so before the ME. It would be a lot easier to put together a $2500-3500 package than a $12000 package.
  #17
4th November 2009, 6:38 AM
TheWall
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLHE and O8
You know what'd be really cool, a lot of us could go and play in the $1,500 event. Sadly I won't be playing until I turn 21, but come 2012, I'm going.
  #18
4th November 2009, 6:50 AM
Errant Dog
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: Holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by arahel_jazz
My viewpoint on this is - why does everybody have to take a swing at the Main Event? I realize its the "ultimate reward", but really, economics does come into play. Why not a smaller target like Event 54 ($1500 NLHE) a week or so before the ME. It would be a lot easier to put together a $2500-3500 package than a $12000 package.
Exactly what I was thinking.
  #19
5th November 2009, 4:55 AM
Mortis
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: HE & StudHi
Quote:
Originally Posted by arahel_jazz
My viewpoint on this is - why does everybody have to take a swing at the Main Event? I realize its the "ultimate reward", but really, economics does come into play. Why not a smaller target like Event 54 ($1500 NLHE) a week or so before the ME. It would be a lot easier to put together a $2500-3500 package than a $12000 package.
I'd go for that.
  #20
5th November 2009, 7:29 AM
Dagon7
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
I think the idea behind the main event would be the tie in and advertising potential. Sponsoring someone for a non-televised event would be pointless, but still I'd play a CC tourney just to go to any of the events and watch.
  #21
5th November 2009, 11:58 PM
arahel_jazz
 
Plays at: FT, PS, & Ultimatebet
Game: Holdem
re: CardsChat 2010 WSOP Entry Fee MTT, Very Unofficial poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagon7
I think the idea behind the main event would be the tie in and advertising potential. Sponsoring someone for a non-televised event would be pointless, but still I'd play a CC tourney just to go to any of the events and watch.
Um... if you think CC got one ounce of TV time with FP (one of our own) being in the main event last year, you're wrong. The chance of any significant TV exposure is marginal unless your player makes it through to day 3 or 4. Only the feature table or busto players gets any significant TV time before then. Once it gets to that level, any decent player will be approached by major sites with patch deals. I don't think CC would pony up any money for a patch deal IMO. However, I would rock the blue Ace if I ever had a chance to wear one in a WSOP event, televised or not.

The benefit is in attracting new memebers to the site. Tournaments that have "WSOP Entry" stamped on them in the private section get attention regardless if they are for the main event or not.
  #22
6th November 2009, 12:59 AM
testreet
 
Plays at: ultimatebet.
Game: holdem limit
That would be super awesome...Hopefully if the buy in entry was something that I could hopefully afford to pay then I would definetely buy in to something like that...My dream is to be the youngest WSOP champion ever being that I am 18 years old but I don't know if an 18 year old could play at WSOP...anyways sure would be nice..
  #23
6th November 2009, 1:06 AM
SavagePenguin
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLH
I think it'd be really tough to pull off. We get enough complains when we try to offer $20 tournaments.
Just about every poker site has super satellites to the Main Event, and they'd probably have a greater percentage of fish which would make qualifying easier (but would not guarantee that a CC'er gets there).

Pifan won a trip to a live WSOP ME satellite in Las Vegas last year, and F Paulson actually got to play (although starting late) in the Main Event due to a win on Party Poker.
  #24
6th November 2009, 1:40 AM
I_B_Freaky
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Omaha and HE
I would play this if you can put it together......
  #25
6th November 2009, 9:14 PM
Dagon7
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAMurray
I searched and failed to see if this has been proposed before but I’m sure this would rally huge support. You always hear how some player at the WSOP was supported by, or entry fees paid by his local poker club or home game friends. My idea was to have a series of tournaments designed to allow one our best CC players to rise to the top while slowly gathering the funds that would be necessary. We would then sent this player to the WSOP financed by moneys collected over the series of tournaments. It would totally be a trip to see Snow or Debi, next year sitting at one of the final 2 tables wearing a CardsChat baseball cap. How much money would be needed and how you guys would amass it, is up you, I’m just an idea man.

Quote:
Originally Posted by arahel_jazz
Um... if you think CC got one ounce of TV time with FP (one of our own) being in the main event last year, you're wrong. The chance of any significant TV exposure is marginal unless your player makes it through to day 3 or 4. Only the feature table or busto players gets any significant TV time before then. Once it gets to that level, any decent player will be approached by major sites with patch deals. I don't think CC would pony up any money for a patch deal IMO. However, I would rock the blue Ace if I ever had a chance to wear one in a WSOP event, televised or not.

The benefit is in attracting new memebers to the site. Tournaments that have "WSOP Entry" stamped on them in the private section get attention regardless if they are for the main event or not.
For clarification, I meant the idea behind the original post, not that any cc sponsored wsop event wouldn't be a good idea. As I stated Id play just for a chance to be there with no buy-in provided.
  #26
6th November 2009, 11:05 PM
sheepy10
 
Plays at: Titan
Game: holdem
freerolling ya way to the main event is the way to go
  #27
7th November 2009, 2:16 AM
Gr3atness
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
$50 tournament x 30 loyal members and the winner plays a $1500 event.

IMO I would rather play a bracelet event than the ME and have a better chance to cash/win (as if i would ever win) but better chance to cash.
  #28
7th November 2009, 3:18 AM
Mortis
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: HE & StudHi
re: CardsChat 2010 WSOP Entry Fee MTT, Very Unofficial poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gr3atness
$50 tournament x 30 loyal members and the winner plays a $1500 event.

IMO I would rather play a bracelet event than the ME and have a better chance to cash/win (as if i would ever win) but better chance to cash.
Might wanna double that.. it costs money to get out there and hotel for a couple of days.
  #29
7th November 2009, 3:42 AM
lightning36
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Quote:
Originally Posted by arahel_jazz
My viewpoint on this is - why does everybody have to take a swing at the Main Event? I realize its the "ultimate reward", but really, economics does come into play. Why not a smaller target like Event 54 ($1500 NLHE) a week or so before the ME. It would be a lot easier to put together a $2500-3500 package than a $12000 package.
This is clearly realistic. Going for a more modest amount would also allow good opportunities to satellite into the final.
  #30
7th November 2009, 7:45 AM
SavagePenguin
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLH
When Pifan went last year, I think he got $1,500 for the buy in and $2k for the travel expenses. Or it was something like that.
  #31
7th November 2009, 8:17 AM
Mortis
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: HE & StudHi
Quote:
Originally Posted by SavagePenguin
When Pifan went last year, I think he got $1,500 for the buy in and $2k for the travel expenses. Or it was something like that.
$100 tourney with at least 35 people, then.....
  #32
7th November 2009, 8:31 AM
Poker Orifice
 
Plays at: PartyPoker
Game: NLHE
CA Murray.... I've got an idea!!! Win as many of the CC tournaments as you can over the next 9mos., then parlay this money into satellites for bigger buyin tourneys online, ,then once you're rolled well enough, make a go of the $26-$75 buyins and with some decent cashes you should be on your way to the WSOP to play not only the MainEvent but also a couple/few of the $1500 donkaments too.

Question about your plan... how would holding a series of 1500chip online tournaments decide upon the best player to play in a deepstack live event? I say we just send Poker Orifice, we all back him and then hopefully he cuts us in for 50% of the payout (of course with a reverse graduating payout scale in case he happens to run really deep in it as it just wouldn't be fair to expect him to part with 50% if his payout was in excess of $250k).
what do ya think?
  #33
7th November 2009, 8:35 AM
Poker Orifice
 
Plays at: PartyPoker
Game: NLHE
Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengenius
Pre-pay for point based tournament series = simple enough.
Now this idea actually sounds cool!! Great idea AG.

I promise I won't wear the hat backwards except of course if Fulltilt offers me up a lucrative deal.
  #34
7th November 2009, 10:06 AM
Egon Towst
 
Plays at: All over
Game: NLHE, PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortis
it costs money to get out there and hotel for a couple of days.

True, and it`s important to remember that CC regulars live all over the world. FP, who was our man this year, travelled half-way around the planet to get there, and that costs more than pocket change.

It`s also an argument, if I may say so, against aiming at anything less than the Main Event. If I want to play in a lesser tournament, I can do that a heck of a lot easier in London, or Dublin, or Paris. It`s the lure of the big one that makes it worth a major expedition, for those of us who don`t hail from the States.
  #35
7th November 2009, 10:46 AM
PurgatoryD
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: MTT NLHE
re: CardsChat 2010 WSOP Entry Fee MTT, Very Unofficial poker

Personally, if/when I get $1500 that I'm willing to spend on a WSOP entry, I'm wearing CC gear when I go. If everyone here who plans on going at some point in their life does this, CC will have representation.

Just a thought. CC rules!

-Dave
 



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