Broke Again

Broke Again I think i am a decent player went to WPT school read everything even Dustys new book I understand odds I have played this game live for 20 yrs and made money wow is this frustrating dropped 150 today some of it went to a guy who called my all in I had 10s he called with 7-3o and made 2 pair on river it just does not make sense
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!! what do I do?

Understand that you are playing online ... not live. There are obviously a lot of players out there online that have far more money than skill. A lot of credit for that kind of play goes to the media for the TV coverage that shows how big pots are won on sukouts ... the ACTION hands - lol.

This seems like something that would only happen in live play in the first place, unless he is playing really small stakes.. but yet how could he blow $150? Sounds like $1/$2 NL and they play pretty damn nitty.

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Hum...
Why would you shove all-in on 10s for.
Also could we see the HH, for this hand..

playing 50/1.00 on PS

100NL on a 150$ BR

[ ] Good BRM

yea man it is hard out their a few years ago their was a lot of easyer players with all the of poker schools and stuff everyone is getting tuffer and the people who don't play tougher just shove preflop every time they got a hand they think they have a hand they r racing with

I have been in the same boat as you are in. It seems to me this online stuff comes in waves for me. I'm either super hot and win alot or super cold and lose alot with not much in between. I have always liked playing live alot better myself. Another thing i do NOT do online is multi table. There is no possible way a man or woman could get a feel for players at there table while playing 7, 8, 9, or 10+ tables at a time. If you are playing multiple tables might wanna try playin 1 or 2 or 3. I personally do not like online poker near as well as live poker at a home game or casino. I took a break for a month or so and didnt play a single hand of poker.Try taking ya a break for a couple weeks and come back and try it again. Clear your mind and not worry about what has happened at start on a fresh note. Also you have to realize there are so many people online that dont have a damn clue what the hell they are doing. They see a commercial on TV advertising a poker site then BOOM that looks fun and they deposit a little $ and not have a clue what to do. I realize it is frustrating but hang in there.

If you aren't using BRM you're generally going to end up going broke over and over and over. I ended up going broke with my $20 BR because I started playing out of my limits. (I know it's small, it was from freerolls...) Alot of people use Chris Ferguson's BRM strategy.

His rules for bankroll management in cash games are very simple. Rule number 1: Never buy into a game for more than 5% of your bankroll. Rule number 2: If you have more than 10% of your bankroll on the table at one time You need to quit that game.

The second category is multi-table Sit 'n Go's and multi-table tournaments. For one table Sit 'n Go's the rule is very simple. Never buy in to a one table Sit 'n Go for more than 5% of your bankroll. For multi-table Sit 'n Go's and multi-table tournaments the rule is 2% of your bankroll. Never buy in to a multi-table tournament or Sit 'n Go for more than 2% of your bankroll.

Follow proper bankroll management and you will not bust out unless you go through a super downswing.

i think u need vacations huahauahaua. Stop play poker for a week or month and comeback better

Try swiching up ur play. read and play more poker

I had an awful weekend of poker as well. Was in 2 MTTs with awful suckouts.
1st one - blinds were 15/30 with several limpers so I popped it up to 330 with my pocket queens. Everyone folded but the one guy that had been running hot. Flop came 8-10-Q rainbow. He bet into me big so I pushed allin and of course he rolls over 9-J offsuit.

2nd one was very similar when my pocket 6s tripped up only to be outdrawn with the guy holding 5-3 offsuit catching his straight.

Anyways I would typically be pissed enough to go to a limit above my BR and blow a big wad. But this time what I did was go to a LIMIT holdem table and played tight position poker and grinded out pretty well. Im not saying Im strictly Limit now but I do think it gives me my poker fix without quite the risk of NL or playing MTTs that are above my BR.

Anyways, Goodluck with it

BRM like has been mentioned before....but also, you need to understand that on-line and live are two separate animals. for me it was quite an adjustment.

Good luck on your new venture.

BRM is not the problem I have plenty of money playing good poker and winning is the problem and maybe I am not as good as I think or maybe since only 5% of the players make money when we lose we should just call it entertainment fees LOL

If you read Dusty's book he's talking 200 buyins for his play level; 0.50/1.00 = $100 buyin = $ 20,000 bankroll.

A 200 buyin bankroll is conservative, but I think losing 1.5 buyins in a session should not even be a concern, but then you shouldn't be playing with a 1.5 buyin bankroll. Even standard bankroll management is 20-30 buyins, meaning with a $150 bankroll you don't have enough to play 0.05/0.10.

And a lot of people will say that the 0.05/0.10 is equivalent to playing $1/$2 live.

Lose, push, lose, push trying to win it back. Take a break or play micro till you feel good about the game again.

The real question is why would the other guy call his all in with 7 3os?

he said it was fun

Everything is BRM but If youre doing that then losing $150 shouldnt matter and you understand the ups and downs of poker. But It seems like you dont use BRM and wonder why people play bad.

Fact is, people play bad because they have money. Some people dont read poker books, they dont go on poker forums and they dont care how youre "supposed" to play. They just gamble and have fun. Thats a fact. So you have to hope luck is on your side because they dont click the fold button, they chase hoping to hit runner runner and most of time they will be your ATM machine and you HOPE they never leave the table.

GL on the felt and use BRM.

ok so if i want to play .5 $1 how much should i deposit i have had $1500 but took some out got to $550 and crashed i have $5000 in a bank acct just for poker i won a couple of $100 events at foxwoods

Dan, whats your online name? I would love to see your stats.

You'll have seen above where someone posted the standard "not more than 5%" rule. I'm usually comfortable about about 25 buy ins, so assuming you're buying in for $100, I -personally- wouldn't do it without $2,500 actually deposited on the site. Other money doesn't count in my book, due to potential hassles about depositing. I've only done it once.

If you want to try something out, you can, just realize you're effectively nuking that portion from your bankroll. I did that with HU SNGs a while back. No idea if I was going to run +EV or not, so now and again I'd play one thinking about it as if the decision to play was putting a match to the bills. If doing so is a threat to the BR, don't do it, and yes, if you're the kind of person who will lose, lose, lose and keep playing to try to win it back, you have to factor that in. If you have a $500 BR and want to put $100 on a table, I personally would find that acceptable as long as a $500 and $400 BR is essentially the same to you in terms of risk of ruin, you are a winning player, and you're committed to going back to whatever you win at if you lose the $100. You are compartmentalizing the risk. You're gambling with $100, and BRMing the balance. If you don't have discipline, that will end badly.

RF

Online waves or like a rollercoaster. Your climbing and winning money and just as fast you spiral down. Like try different games, free rolls and play little less when these spirals hit. We have all been there, in away it's what drives right back to the table. Hope it changes soon for you, good luck.

You have to hand in there, drink more, do more drugs, beat the wife and kids, oh did i say do more drugs. Seriously if u play live poker and have the ability to play live everyday i would not play on computer again. I have had very few losing sessions live. If ur a serious poker player playing live is where it is at. Gl

My only tip is to practice "pot control" online, more than anything, which means only going in pre-flop with hands like AA or KK in cash games - anything else, and you're just gambling, not playing poker.

When you see the flop, depending in your opponent, you want to practice pot control - that means that if you are not 100% sure you have your opponent beat, then only bet as much as you are willing to lose on that hand and never, ever go all in. I could go on about this for another 5 pages but I don't have the time now.

I gotta ask what sight you play on.
I never see players bad enough to go all in with 73 at 100NL on Pokerstars.

Standard bankroll management says at least 20 buy ins, though if you have more set aside for poker it could be less actually in one poker site. People have swings of +/- 4 or 5 buyins, within a single session, so be prepared for that.

But, how much on line poker have you played? It might be better to start off at lower levels even just to get used to online play first. Deposit $500, try 0.10/0.25 for 10,000 or 20,000 hands until you can prove to yourself that you've gotten used to it.

+1

I moved from live play to online play - you really ought to take time to get used to it, it's different. The quality of play is generally higher online at $0.25/$0.50 than at a $1/$2 live table (though you can still find plenty of fish...).

what is your bank roll ? since every one says you are not playing within the correct limits.
I know that I may have 1-3 hundred on fulltilt and decide to play the wpt sattie for a hundred. But that does not mean I am playing 33 % my roll. I choose not to keep large sums of money online.!! + I play live way more often ( daily)

not broke today yestreday i won 5 S&Gs cashed in a 90 man on FT and made some money playing cash now it does not seem like i played any differently even though when i got knocked out of the 90 i had AA raised to 12000 which was 4x got called by KJo flop j 8 5 went all in for last 10500 he hits K on river arrrrrrrrrr!
best score of the day won a 15+1 on PS for $108

It is amazing what some players will call with, then they win on the river. I think I was the only one that told you I would fold AA in the first hand of a tourney with players already all in in front and two others behind you still to play.
You should put these two bad beats on that blog. I am sure they will be blasting me shortly for saying I would fold the AA. lol.
Tough luck, on these. How many players were in the hand? it looks like they were heads up.

there were 4 with the 10s I was first the 7-3 was next then the others I should not have been all in except I was testing out short stacking at .5 $1 and that seems how it is played going back to 50BBs dont care for bingo most people do not have the discipline to lay down AA there are times it should be done
won another 18 man 15+1 S&G today played so tight my teeth exploded lol

yea man i feel you i am broke again it happens way to often the sad part is most hands i am ahead by odds i wish i could hold