Bodog bounces more checks!!!!!

Watchout, bodog is still bouncing checks! I just yesterday had a fairly large check bounce from JBL/Lawson Finance. When I called the bank they stated I needed to contact Bodog... I contacted Bodog and got the runaround about how this was the same problem as reported two months ago?!?

Anyway, they did offer to cover the bank charges for the bounced check, but it was a MAJOR pain in the ass, and I have not received the replacement check as of yet.

My advise - Stay far away from Bodog. There is only a couple good explanations of why Bodog would let this happen and none good.

God dammit. Hopefully they'll clear all this up when I'm ready to withdraw here in a little while. Other than this I've heard mostly good thing about Bodog's payout, I've heard from most people they deliver the checks pretty quickly.

I would think some sort of miracle would have to happen if the check bounced yesterday and you HAD received a replacement already.

Anyway, apparently (judging from a few threads lately) Bodog is having some problems with the company writing their payout checks. I don't think you can read any more into it than that and as long Bodog is filled with fish I'll keep playing there.

I received an e-mail from bodog the same day that my check arrived from them last week.It stated that my check may be no good and to please not cash it.I called up support and asked them "WTF?".They responded with "we can send you a check by courier which will arrive in 1 to 2 business weeks or we can place the money back in your account with a 5% bonus".I chose the latter.I then asked how long it would take to show up in my account.The lady said within 24 to 48 hours.

5 days later the money wasn't showing up yet.I called support again and they said it could take a little while and I would either have to call or e-mail their claims department .I waited one more day before I started to get really pissed.I then e-mailed a threat to them stating if they didn't have my money back in my account within 24 hours I would cash the check(at a nearby store,not my bank).This prompted them to e-mail me right back with a "we are checking into the problem and will contact you with 1 hour" response.Within a day my money was back in my account with my 5% bonus.

My main question is this.If they wrote the check and you cashed it without a problem,wouldn't they be the ones paying all the returned check/bounced fees?I mean if I cashed the check and it was later returned wouldn't that be between my bank and Bodog?

I know if I wrote a bad check to someone and the bank gave them the money for it,I would be responsible for all the fees and the person would have the money.Not saying a bank would give them the money without the check clearing,but I know the local store were I cash my poker checks would.

Anyway I guess I'll keep some money at Bodog for a couple more weeks before I cash out most of it again.If they mess this next check up though I'm gonna cash it anyhow and let them deal with the aftermath .

when you say "the local store" where you cash your checks, what do you mean? do they charge some rediculous fee or have a limit on the amount they will cash? may be an alternative for me as i have a semi large check on the way.

All of this going on makes me glad I only play at Pokerstars I've never had a problem with the cheques they've sent me!

With the cash these sites 'rake' in, won't ever understand how they could be operating legitimately when their checks bounce.

Just one more reason that the anti-gaming folks can put in their list of concerns about offshore gaming sites.

I wrote a blog on another site about this problem. One thing to consider as a first sign of a problem is that a forum that routinely uses a specific site to host their game stops suddenly is sometime the best first sign of a problem.

Often when you ask the forum what the problem is, they may not (or be inclined to) pass info along as to specifics. There is at least one forum who is the first to report problems with poker sites (if it is not against the rules here and you PM me I will tell you the forum). The nest step is e-mailing or , if the site provides, chat with their customer service dept.

When you ask pertinent questions and soberly, quietly review the communication, it frequently screams of problems. With the rake and number of players, with the revenue involved it is fairly impossible to not be able to handle cash outs unless there are serious problems.

Another sign is the policy "you have to deposit and play "x" number of raked hands before you can cash out" that signals problems.


My rule of thumb is if I can't develop a bankroll and cash it out from freerolls without depositing my own money I don't play
(the site is probably rigged to boot )

Merlin333

This Thread is scary!!!! I've had problems ( about a year ago) with cashing checks from BoDog. They were quick to replace and cover bank fees and generally blamed the problem on thier processors. Which, as it ends up, did change and there were no problems since ( personally speaking). With this newest problem arising however my concerns are once again elevated. I think I'll withdraw majority of funds I have with them and only keep in reserve some to play our money added tourneys there ( assuming they continue???) until this ongoing issue with payouts is resolved. Which, by the way, could be so if they simply had US friendly processor epassporte as a payout choice. Although I like this site- soft competion, sports betting, our added money tourneys- Poker Stars and Full Tilt have never had or heard of payout concerns.

I started playing at bodog , played for like 2 weeks then moved to stars. I suggest you guys all do the same.

Just based on your suggestion or some actual reason?

I received a check from Bodog a few weeks ago and was actually impressed with how quickly and painlessly the entire transaction was completed; from making my initial request to actually holding the check in my hand, it only took 6 days, and that included their ID verification process. (The only other cashout check request I'd made prior to this was from Cake, and that was a total nightmare, taking almost three months. . .).

Anyway, I cashed the Bodog check and my bank didn't complain, but to my surprise I received an email from Bodog maybe two weeks ago, stating that my check may bounce due to issues with their processor. I wrote them back and told them I'd already cashed it without a hitch, and they said to let them know if I ran into any problems after the fact (which I have not, so far).

Personally, I think Bodog is to be commended for pro-actively letting customers know that there may be problems with their checks, as opposed to just letting problems occur and then dealing with them (or worse, NOT dealing with them, as in the case of Cake, from my experience). However, of course, I wish they weren't having these problems in the first place and/or would offer an "echeck" option instead of the paper check mess. . . .

bodog is the best in the business, run along now to nitted up pokerstars or tilt if you want. i've cashed many large checks from bodog over the years with no problem. im sure its just a **** up on jbl/lawson finance's part as they have to be some fly-by-night institution to run money from costa rica to usa. this is no suprise, but bodog is not to blame. if had to trust 10 million to a poker site, it would be bodog. not pokerstars or tilt and damn sure not ub.

The local store is a party poker store nearby.They do a lot of check cashing.They take 1% or so.The reason I cash Bodog poker checks there Iis because I don't want the money to go through my bank account.

As for not playing at Bodog,screw all that!If it wasn't for Bodog,I would be in the business of breaking even at aother sites(Full Tilt,for example) and just coming ahead from the rakeback.I do still play at Full Tilt(trying to clear my sign up bonus)and it does help me to play better competion,but if I wanna make money fast,I play at Bodog.

As for the problem with their checks as of late,I'm sure it was a small glitch and they will work it out.If not I don't keep a lot of money there anyway and it will be no big loss.I try to cash out what I don't need every couple of months.

Long story short,Bodog is swimming with fish.I'll play where the fish play mostly.As for full tilt,the competition is there even at the small stakes.I will continue to play there for the rakeback and to become a better player.

Most couriers deliver in one to two working days, not one to two working weeks. Do you live on a peninsula in the rocky mountains or something?Because they rely on a US organisation to issue checks for them in the US, which increases overheads and adds another possible source of communication problems? I asked in another thread why you guys aren't using Moneybookers/Neteller, but didn't receive a reply so far.Or maybe there is a legal challenge over their right to use the Bodog name.Or perhaps you rely on a third party poker in the US, so are not completely in control of what happens there.Most people here are quite bored with people suggesting that various sites are rigged. If a site was rigged, people would fairly soon come up with reasonable evidence, as happened with UB. Anyone seen any evidence of Bodog being rigged? I've been withdrawing without any problems using Moneybookers, and the only complaints I've heard are from people based in the US. If there was a problem with Bodog, surely their clients all around the world be experiencing problems

well..I took some money out as precaution and sent them an email asking if i was going to have any issues. The Repy:

Thank you for contacting Bodog Customer Service.

You should have no troubles with depositing your payout. Any Checks with this issue were during a small time period during January and all issues have now been resolved. We do apologize for any inconvenience.

Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best Regards,


Customer Service

Bodog Entertainment
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Soft games are just too tempting at this site plus sportsbook makes it hard to bail out of...I'll just keep small amout there i suppose

We(in the US) can't use Neteller anymore

Sort of yes. It's called the United States. We are a little backwards. It really does take that long.

see: Poker News - FBI Arrests Former NETELLER Executives

old news, but again... it's called the United States. We are a little backwards. Neteller pulled out around here.


I might be sounding like a broken record right now, but not getting that check weeks ago like I should have is really causing me some problems this month and forced me to withdraw from pokerstars which I didn't want to do. It is going to take me almost two months to get my money because of this, which I consider slightly more than a mere inconvenience.

Yes,they told me 5 to 10 business days.If I knew it was gonna take that long to get my money then I woulda done took the week or two.BTW,if they didn't put it back in my account within 24 hours I woulda cashed the check and they coulda dealt with it.

pokerstars
full tilt
are the best with these cash outs

Ok, so glimpsing over the article..(and besides the fact that Bush is a complete moron)

What's so worse about internet gambling as opposed to casinos?

Using your bank account is so shady to begin with. I deposited a few times via that method on bodog, and NEVER again. My main qualm with the process was that I won big last year and they wouldn't let me cash out - I'm talking several MONTHS because of this instant check clearing BS. I was up HUGE and I just wanted to take a little bit out and keep playing with my winnings. They wouldn't even agree to let me take out 5% (FIVE freaking percent) of my bankroll until small initial deposit I made cleared. Inevitably, I hit a streak of horrible luck and lost a lot of my winnings - which of course led me to want to rant about things being rigged (even though I know they're not) and drawn out withdrawal processes in order to get people to play higher limits, etc., etc.

I like bodog on several levels, and really hate certain aspects of it as well.

too funny. For further examples of cluelessness, see Mike Huckabee and his recent statement about considering John McCain for a running mate!!!!

That really doesn't make sense to me, I was under the impression that in the US people expect superb levels of service, and companies that don't give it go bust. How long does regular snailmail take to deliver things over there? Here snail mail takes 1-3 days, so you wouldn't pay a courier a fortune to deliver something if you could pay the Post Office 30p to deliver it quicker. Also when I've ordered a game from the US and it was sent with UPS, it was received at my address in the UK three days later, so your courier companies surely can't be as inefficient as you are implying - they simply wouldn't still be in business...

Obviously I understand that it's a much bigger place than England, I remember going on a Greyhound from New York to Cincinnatti, for example. But there's a big difference between a two day service and a two week service...

I can think of 2 things right off the top of my head......minors wagering real money and it being easier to cheat and avoid prosecution online.

It makes absolutely no sense. Our mail service in this country is actually quite good, fast and reliable. That's not even touching the private companies (UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc...) that are probably even better.

It also has absolutely nothing to do with any of that. It has everything to do with the government over here making it difficult for online poker players via legislation like the UIGEA (see: SAFE Port Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Yes, this legistaltion really was for ports (as in boats, harbors, freight shipment containers etc) and they snuck this totally unrelated amendment into it at the last second to screw with internet poker/gambling sites.

Like I said..backwards. corrupt would be another good adjective.

Here's the cliff notes:

Step 1: Casino Lobbies and anti-gambling lobbies buy politicians with large monetary donations.

Step 2: Politicians like getting the money, so they sneak the legislations the lobbies want through congress.

Step 3: Legislation passes because most Americans are apathetic and clueless about what the government is really doing and keep voting in the same scumbags year after year after year (Britney Spears and American Idol are faaar more important after all)

Step 4: Profit?


/Seriously it really is all about the money. Government doesn't get a cut of online poker/gambling sites usually and Casinos pay to keep their monopolies federally protected
//A few clueless people do object to it on some really wacky moral objection, but online/live is basically the same if you have a moral objection to it (or should be).

Please keep us informed about Bodogs bad checks.This is great info,but please keep it short and to the point.I just started playing at bodog a few months ago and havnt built alot up on there myself.

Yeah but even this doesn't really fly that well when you think about it a bit. Starting with the fact that if it were legal and regulated and in country instead of offshore it would be far easier to catch/prosecute cheats. as well as prosecute any sites that got out of line and possibly screwed customers.

As far as the whole "minor" arguement.. Yes possibly it is easier to do, but it is still not extremely easy for a minor to do this without adult help or without illegally accessing a credit card/checking account/etc.. and if they have access to this they can do all sorts of illegal stuff other than playing poker, so why is poker somehow so much worse than say placing alot of fraudulent orders at Amazon or something? I also love how people point the finger of blame at the poker site and not the parents when something like this happens.

I recently had to deal with a bodog bad check. It was only $150 but by the time all was said and done with bank fees and nsf fees I was over $300 in the hole with my bank. I wrote Bodog customer service an email explaining all my fees and frustrations and the next word I got from them was an email telling me my fed-ex package was on the way. I'm not going to sing praises for Bodog on this one but I will say that they took good care of me. That is if the check they sent me is indeed good.

Money/Ignorance

Money - They say it's harder to tax gambling on the web, but how do companies like ebay/amazon exist? They have to get taxed somehow. If it's for the fact it's harder to tax "foreign" gambling sites, then make it illegal to play on "foreign" sites and I'm sure there will be PLENTY of US based sites which will open. As for any other "cheating" issues, if poker was legal, they could set up a "department" to go around and use our tax money to monitor the software/use of these sites.

Money - It's feared that people will spend their "bill money" on gambling and end up in an alleyway... yet (in my state) lotto/bingo/horse races are allowed... because that makes sense.

Ignorance - MANY people are still under the mindset that "poker is bad." They don't know why they feel that was "they just do." However, the good thing about online gaming is that hopefully in the next 10 - 20 years (I know a while), the people who play online now will be the next generation in office and be able to change things.


BTW: could the political portions of this thread maybe have their own thread? I feel bad hijacking the OP.

You're welcome to start a new topic about it.

The comment about lotto, etc. is great. I think people create some sort of hierarchy in their minds--whether they admit it or not--that dictates their stance regarding poker. For example, some people think slots are harmless, but to me, slots are the biggest rip off of any gambling. And some think blackjack is "safer" than poker, but poker is the only game where the player has some say over the odds they choose to engage with.

As far as people in office, that's an interesting comment because when you take a look at the number of politicians that admit they play poker - i mean, not just congressman, but judges, lawyers, mayors, etc. it really doesn't make sense that there is such opposition.

If the starting a new thread about politics was directed at me, I apologize for including the comment about the current candidates. I don't know if making comments like that is against our forum rules, and I don't mean any harm.

Not at you. In regards to our comments on legalized poker in general. I think the mods can split topics and I thought it would make a good topic of its own instead of hijacking this thread, not that anyone hijacked on purpose.

Rather than waiting for mods to split it, often it's easier just to start your own thread to discuss it, and include a link to this thread if you want to refer to any comments that anyone made here.