Biggest pot on tv Ivey v Dwan...is poker on TV fixed???

#1 28th January 2010, 5:37 PM

A few thing interesting about this from my angle.

I would have been calling Dwan worse than anything for calling with 76h after my big raise
Poker is obviously fixed !!! Action card on the turn
Phil Ivey, I think, was taken in by Dwan and his aggressive way of playing - He hardly thought of the various possible hands Dwan could have
Pot odds, at this level, seem to go out of the window. Dwan had to call 35k to see the turn in a pot of 84.5k - just over 2:1 with 7 high, no flush draw and possibly 3 outs as the 4clubs could have given Ivey the flush. I would like someone to explain this play to me please? All I can think is he was thinking Ivey was on a draw and he was going to bluff the river if Ivey had checked - however, any card other than the 3 4`s and he is struggling to call anything

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YouTube- Biggest pot on tv in poker history million dollar cashgame

#2 29th January 2010, 12:59 AM

WOW WHAT A TURN CARD Jesus, knowing durrr I couldn't put him on anything and would have to call if I was Ivey

#3 29th January 2010, 4:17 AM

very close to the same hand happened last season. except dwan was on the losing end and benyamine stacked him. Just a sick cooler.

YouTube- 3/4 Million Dollar Cash Game S03E04 Season 3 Episode 4

hand starts at 2:38

#4 30th January 2010, 2:24 AM

wow that was crazy what a pot lol

#5 30th January 2010, 4:34 AM

i love the announcers... OH... MY... GOSH. at the same time lol.

#6 30th January 2010, 4:38 AM

[quote=Ronaldadio;1394720]A few thing interesting about this from my angle.Pot odds, at this level, seem to go out of the window. Dwan had to call 35k to see the turn in a pot of 84.5k - just over 2:1 with 7 high, no flush draw and possibly 3 outs as the 4clubs could have given Ivey the flush. I would like someone to explain this play to me please? All I can think is he was thinking Ivey was on a draw and he was going to bluff the river if Ivey had checked - however, any card other than the 3 4`s and he is struggling to call anythingEnjoy...
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Explain the play? He's Tom Dwan... he bets he bluffs and he never lets go of a hand if there is a possibility of winning big with it.

#7 30th January 2010, 4:42 AM

The above post is very true. At the end of the video Phils face just says it all. OOPS!!

#8 30th January 2010, 2:27 PM

I now see the first movie. but as they left began to flop two before I give you breaks on Ivey said. not too good for him anyway I like Ivey

#9 30th January 2010, 7:12 PM

No way anyone can get away from that hand 3 handed, especially against durrrr.

#10 30th January 2010, 9:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasanova King

No way anyone can get away from that hand 3 handed, especially against durrrr.

Well actually the way it was played preflop Durrrr is like the only one who would get so much in with 67s... its weird to see the best player in the world on the idiot's end of the straight...

#11 30th January 2010, 11:59 PM

omg that would make me sick. i cracked up when the announcers were screaming OH MY GOD lol.

#12 1st February 2010, 2:03 AM

wow ive never seen that one before...must be pretty recent..and what a hand it was!

I think ill be playing 6 7 a lot more often now lol

#13 1st February 2010, 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronaldadio

A few thing interesting about this from my angle.

1. I would have been calling Dwan worse than anything for calling with 76h after my big raise
Ivey knows Dwan is raising him really light, Dwan knows Ivey knows this and his SC is a flip against Ivey's range. Ivey knows that Dwan knows this. Dwan knows that Ivey knows that he knows.
2. Poker is obviously fixed !!! Action card on the turn
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I really don't want to be rude/condescending.
I'll leave my response to 2 as "..."
3. Phil Ivey, I think, was taken in by Dwan and his aggressive way of playing - He hardly thought of the various possible hands Dwan could have
Yes he did consider what Dwan could have. I absolutely guarantee that Ivey would think about this, I think he could be playing tired, drunk and tilting and still think about this. I think he'd find it easier to forget how to breathe than forget to put his opponent on a range. This is not an advanced concept.
Quite simply, Dwan's range is really, really wide in most spots. He's not the kind of player you're going to fold the 3rd nuts to very often because you're usually so far ahead of his range.
4. Pot odds, at this level, seem to go out of the window. Dwan had to call 35k to see the turn in a pot of 84.5k - just over 2:1 with 7 high, no flush draw and possibly 3 outs as the 4clubs could have given Ivey the flush. I would like someone to explain this play to me please? All I can think is he was thinking Ivey was on a draw and he was going to bluff the river if Ivey had checked - however, any card other than the 3 4`s and he is struggling to call anything
I reffer you back to my response to your first point. Dwan knows that Ivey knows that Dwan knows.... pot odds don't mean a whole lot.

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#14 1st February 2010, 6:39 PM

Do you think Phil ever thought Durrr was playing 6 7 ? Didn't seem like it, I think he was so supprised he hit his straight he forgot to think any more, even if I thought someone played 6 7 how could you fold, the best move for Ivey was not an all in . I would have liked to see the next hand too........

#15 2nd February 2010, 1:16 AM

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Originally Posted by budebuzz

Do you think Phil ever thought Durrr was playing 6 7 ? Didn't seem like it, I think he was so supprised he hit his straight he forgot to think any more, even if I thought someone played 6 7 how could you fold, the best move for Ivey was not an all in . I would have liked to see the next hand too........

I know right... as soon as I hit a straight like that I would think do I have the nuts... no... 67 is nuts... I cant believe Ivey didnt mechanically think that. I think Ivey just got stuck in a trend... if you watch the other episodes Ivey's main move was to shove all in or make a horrendously large reraise into a big pot, sometimes he would be bluffing and other times he wasnt... I also think that Ivey may have been rash for a second and forgot he was playing against dwan... he figured the only thing Dwan could call the flop with is overcards or a set... or maybe a big bluff. One moment's weakness and Ivey loses 600K... lol.

#16 2nd February 2010, 2:04 AM

Poker is "obviously fixed"? Haven't you played enough to know that anything can and will happen???

Great video though, thanks.

#17 2nd February 2010, 2:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dd_decker

Poker is "obviously fixed"? Haven't you played enough to know that anything can and will happen???

Great video though, thanks.

It was a joke!!! At all the posts that say "Online poker is rigged"

#18 2nd February 2010, 3:08 AM

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Originally Posted by thepokerkid123

Responses in bold.

3. Phil Ivey, I think, was taken in by Dwan and his aggressive way of playing - He hardly thought of the various possible hands Dwan could have
Yes he did consider what Dwan could have. I absolutely guarantee that Ivey would think about this, I think he could be playing tired, drunk and tilting and still think about this. I think he'd find it easier to forget how to breathe than forget to put his opponent on a range. This is not an advanced concept.
Quite simply, Dwan's range is really, really wide in most spots. He's not the kind of player you're going to fold the 3rd nuts to very often because you're usually so far ahead of his range.

So why push allin if he knows Dwans range is real wide? So wide he could be sitting with the nuts? I think pushing all in he is only getting called by a better hand, i.e. the nuts. What hand would call the allin?
One of the only players I think could have got away from this would have ben Negrano

#19 2nd February 2010, 3:11 AM

Watched a WPT tourney on TV this weekend, Jen Harmon went all in with AA pre flop, called by 10 2 and lost, 3 players went all in A7 v A8 V AJ, A7 won, crap happens, go figure.

#20 2nd February 2010, 3:36 AM

I think that once Dwan reraised That Phil knre even if he had a marginal strength hand like AJ or a strong flush draw or a set or middle pair or any of a giant number of combinations that Dwan is essentially pot committed with his stack being around 1/4-1/3 of whats left out there. Knowing that Dwans range is bigger than 76 and 62 and that he's getting value from everything thats not those two hands means that going all in is okay. I dont know why its that puzzling when your three handed given the action there is a lot of stuff that could get all-in there and the third nuts ends up being at the top of that list, especially when some percentage of the time Dwan is reraising as a bluff when the straight completes knowing that Phil is not going to have the straight most of the time.

#21 3rd February 2010, 3:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronaldadio

It was a joke!!! At all the posts that say "Online poker is rigged"

Oh, sorry, I thought you were serious.
Good video AND good post!

#22 3rd February 2010, 5:59 PM

Cool hand..tough for phil to get away from.

I dont think tv poker is rigged...when you consider you are only seeing a small proportion of the hands (ie the big ones).

#23 3rd February 2010, 8:44 PM

of course its rigged just like every thing LOL
they play some stupid hands

#24 7th February 2010, 9:54 PM

YouTube- Phil Ivey shits his pants drawing dead 1.108mil pot VS. Tom Dwan

#25 8th February 2010, 5:43 PM

LOl at the announcers. Pretty sick turn card in my oppinon i would feel like it was rigged if it was me @ a home game

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