Best way to grow a BR from $30

What is the best game for someone who has a limited BR. Should I start with Sit n Go's, tournaments, ring games etc. Can anyone lead me in the right direction?

for now im playing sit and go's so i dont have the temptation of tilting in a cash game.

Grinding out the $1 sng would be best with your BR

When you get to about $55+, move onto $2 sng...

Really grind out at these stakes.. play super tight early (Fold hands such as AQ, KQ, KJ etc...)

Good luck

$1+$0.10 Double or Nothing Turbo's would be your best choice. They have a lower rake than the other SnG's, and DoN's are super soft & low variance.

Grinding SnG's like the posters above me said.

Personally I gravitate to the $1 SnG with 45-90 players. The most important factor to me is just getting ITM in as many as I can & I do this by playing really tight & just playing small pot poker in general. I like to see flops so depending on how many players may go all in pre-flop I may sometimes even fold KK

low buy in SnGs and tourneys i think. I guess you would be pretty safe playing .02/.05 nl holdem... try some limit? I'm not an expert in limit so you'd have to ask someone else at what level you should play.

If you got skills, i think 20-40ppl SNG should be the best

yea i agree prob sngs depending on wot ur starting roll is, but if u suck at sng's or varience kicks in, sng's can suck away ur money quick, so don's for sure to make sure u slowly grow ur roll with a decent chance to win each time, otherwise 1 table 2nl FR games. and play uber nitty.

SIT AND GO I've built my bankroll from 7.80 from rakeback and went up to 75 dollars with sit and go's

If you're just playing to make the money, you're probably better of playing $1 single table SNGs. 45 seat SNGs pay only top 15% where as a $1 pays top 30%, so its a lot easier to make make the money in a single table. On top of that, 3rd place in a single table and 7th place for a 45 seat SNG pays roughly the same. The only difference is how much time you invest. In a single, you probably invest an hour to make 3rd or better. In a 45 seat, you probably invest about 2-3 hours just to make the same amount or better.

I'm not saying multi-seat SNGs are bad, but if you're not beating them or just barely making the money you're most likely either breaking even or even losing money.

For the OP, I would suggest sticking with $1 single table SNGs for the most part. Throw in a few $1 multi-table SNGs here and there. It'll help with you MTT game. Also, if you lose, it's not a big blow to the BR and if you win it's a nice boost.

dont do it , grinding micro stake is sick. I would rather not play.

mtt is the way to go if your going to grind. play the daily dollar or ferguson.

well with 30 bucks your not properly rolled for any cash tables following BRM..so i would suggest the 1 dolllar 9 man SnGs for now...see if you can gradually grow it up..MTT's have such a high variance that i dont think its a good idea to partake in many of these

Lots of varience in mtts, I would say 9man sngs or as c9 said DONs, though I personally would play 9man sngs and play to make the money and then as you progress and start cashing maybe try some 18 or 27 man games see which suits your style best.

Everyone has to start somewhere if you cannot beat micro stakes then you cannot beat other stakes.....

I think Mtts will be very helpful! low buyin mtts!! me too the same!! I came here to catch some good ideas, but sng is sick and micro stack cash games are very very sick!!
I think mtts will be helpfull! because i am doing it!!
anyother advice pls...!!

How are single table SNGs sicker than MTTs? Theres a lot more variance with MTTs. You can go a long time before you cash in an MTT (a significant cash) unless you're lucky to make it big from early on. Lot less variance in SNGs and if you can beat the micro-stakes, profit is steady.

As for Double or Nothings, I think they're a great way to slowly build up a BR. But they are boring as hell...seriously. However, you could probably multi-table 6 DoNs or more and cash-out in the most or all of them if played properly. Just don't fall asleep...

The best advice so far is the play the $1 DoNs. Just start playing those and you should be able to have a 10-15% ROI with no problem.

Thanks for the input everyone. I did the sit n go thing for a while and got it up to about $47 but it got boring real quick so I decided to take a chance. I played in the $6000 guarantee on FT for $11. There were 658 people registered and after about 6 long hours I busted out in eighth place for $157. Wasn't the brightest thing to do but it worked out and it should help with my BR problem and it gives me some room for variance.

I think you should play in this forum's $100 added buy-ins. They cost from $2.50 to $5.50. If you are unable to build a bankroll from these, see Plan B.

And the "B" Plan is?

SNGs are you best bet. Most of the people above are right, your roll is small so just stick with low stakes and GRIND!!!

GL

$2NL if you're better at cash games, $1 SnGs if you're better at those IMO.

mass grinding the $1 DoN's isn't as easy as one would think.

Just look at this guy's SS graph.



Although with a little dedication, and no life, you too can make super nova and earn $1,900 for the year.

vn finish sir.. i had another suggestion in which i was gonna say to just take a shot with some of your roll (in my first post i stated you couldn really follow any proper BRM with 30 bucks)


glad to see you finished well in your MTT, however hopefully this isn the start of a bad habit and you will be able to use proper BRM and stop taking shots

to be honest there is no right or wrong way to build a bankroll ..u can play sn gos cash games whatever ....doesnt matter all that matters is that you win ......personally sit n gos are a joke specially on full tilt you have to play like ten to twenty of them to a day to place in less than half of them ..its so dam frustrating playing those 1.10 45 person sn gs on full tilt cuz you get really lose people that get lucky on you when you have jacks or kings and in my experiance every time u have a monster before the bubble you will lose so fold them i cant tell you how manny times i lost one place out of the money with kings aces jacks and every time to some hand i had crushed and i always lose to either a flopped flush rived set to an under pair its rediculous i stopped playing them honestly ....personaly i think the best way to build steady money is good roll MNGMT and playing cash games play different variations of holdem limit games mixed games and stayaway fromPLO until you get really good at reading the board and bet patterns.......HOnestly with 30 bucks id grind two tables at .2/.5 or even .1/.2 with the min buy in for a few hrs a day play really tight and aggressive dont get fancy too much bet your strong hands and play small buy in MTT get your MTT skills up daily dollar. with 30 dollars you should be making your daily buy ins from the cash games profit to off set any oot finishes in any mtts and you should try to get into such weekly tourneys like the double deuce by satelites run deep in that tourney one time and youll see your br boost way more substantially than a few break even cashes from sngs...

Sounds like you were born to play tourneys! lol gj.

Too much variance in big MTT's. Some of the best MTT players are only ITM around 15% of the time. So I agree with most, smaller sng's or don's.

They say cash games pay the bills... And grinding micro stakes for a whuile to build is a great way in my opinion to work on your fundamental poker skills like concentration, focus, patience, DISCIPLINE, all the while handling bad beats and calling stations.

And lessons learned in micro stakes are cheaper.

Thats a pretty good strategy... so if you lose enough to not have 25 dollars for every dollar, you drop back down to your old level? Like say he had 50, played a 2 dollar SnG and went down to 48, then he would have to go back to 1 dollar SnGs? Makes sense but how do you account for rake? I mean SnG rake for dollar games is like .10 cents? Do you just ignore the rake? I'm just asking cuz it seems like a good strategy to use myself. (if i ever make it to 25 dollars O.o)

get a job

Try the cardchat buy in tournaments. There cheap and the added money is always nice to your bankroll. Also I love SnG's. I deposited $30 onto Full Tilt and played $2 until my roll got big enough, now I'm playing $5.

First of all, dont play 0.02/0.05 NL.. you will lose your roll fairly quickly
If your good at cash, play 2nl or else if you prefer sng id say play the 0.10 360man sngs on stars.. they pretty easy to make the money you jus make to play VERY tight early and gradually keep loosening up as the tournament reaches later stages.

I'd play the $2 single table SNG's. 3 out of 9 are paid, and the $0.25 rake is a much smaller percentage than the $0.20 rake on the $1 SNG's. Remember that a third of the players at this level are pretty much incompetent. That's good, but only if you're patient and can live with a few lost games due to suckouts from poor players getting lucky. Unfortunately you don't get extra credit for having your chips in with the best hand if the 20% outer comes through.

The CardChat freerolls and money-added tourneys are great ways to play against better competition with little or no risk to your bankroll.

I started with about $12 in a Fulltilt freeroll win (Razz, I think, although I play NLHE almost exclusively) and have worked it up to more than $1600 through mostly single table SNG's, now alternating between $5 and $10, occassional MTT's, and CC tourneys. I've also played a few Fulltilt Poker Academy Sit-N-Learn freerolls, which are easy to qualify for and have a nice potential payout.

By the way, the poker play on the weekend is somewhat different than what I find during the week. My ROI is much lower on Saturday and Sunday, due mostly to my inability to adjust to the unpredictable weekend play (IMHO).

How? Deep stacked on FT for .02/.05 is 2.5nl.

i thought .02/.05 is 5NL?

2c/5c is 5NL. The max buyin is $5. So he would only have 6 buyins with a BR of $30.