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  Poker - was this a bad play?
 
  #1  
22-03-2007, 8:13 PM
WhiteWidowToker
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was this a bad play?

sorry forgot to save the details so ill type it out.

so i had 99 in middle position with everyone before me folding. So i raise to 120 (blinds are 20/40) and get on caller, and one all-inner. so after the all in i figure the guy who called my 120 probably doesn't have that great a hand seeing hes the big stack. so i raise it from 650 (the all in) to 1100. the flop comes Q,Q,5, with two hearts. so i go all in, and the guy calls with K-10 hearts and gets his heart on the river! it was the blasted 8 of hearts.

so was this dumb would you say?
 

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22-03-2007, 8:49 PM
james222
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doesnt look like a bad play to me. I like raising istead of just calling in this spot also. It looks like u committed half ur stack preflop if thats the case the only thing i would of done different was pushed it all in making it harder for the other caller. Im pretty sure if u pushed it all-in pre K10 folds. either way though the guy shouldnt of been calling with K10 but u made it easier. seems like he just saw an opportunity to win alot of chips if he got lucky and he did
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22-03-2007, 9:22 PM
Demosthenes
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Obviously it was a bad move for him to call all-in on a flush draw(although he also had 3 king outs) but it was also a bad move for you to raise all-in with 99 on a dangerous flop like that when he could have a queen or an overpair.
Marginal play on both counts, but his WAS worse.
The bottom line is that you want donkeys to make bad calls because it is good+EV for you.
  #4  
22-03-2007, 9:34 PM
WhiteWidowToker
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exact;y what i thougt, thanks guys.

on a side not- i just won another table! 19 more dollars in the bank!
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23-03-2007, 12:31 AM
12skin
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I'm having trouble adding up the pot but it looks to me there might have been favorable odds for the flushy to call you. Also, i might have raised a little more than 120 to get the K 10 feller out before the flop. All depends on how he was playing tho. Not sure what his history was - if he was a callstation, and loose, or played agressively whenever he had face cards. In that case I would maybe have just checked.

This is easy to comment on armchair style and after the fact. I think you did ok for the circumstances. You just got sucked out on. One thing I have learned is that online play tends to cater to the flushes and straights more than live poker does. If you saw a potential flush draw, the correct move is not all-in, but rather bet to give unfavorable odds.
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23-03-2007, 3:00 AM
jolubman
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Sounds like you're playing againist a calling station.
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23-03-2007, 8:04 PM
WhiteWidowToker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 12skin View Post
online play tends to cater to the flushes and straights more than live poker does. If you saw a potential flush draw, the correct move is not all-in, but rather bet to give unfavorable odds.
well this certainly doesn't apply to me. if i get a flush draw on the flop, 9/10 times i don't make it.
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23-03-2007, 9:50 PM
jolubman
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I think the odds of hitting a flush when having a four flush after the flop are 7.48:1.
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23-03-2007, 9:59 PM
skoldpadda
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jolubman View Post
I think the odds of hitting a flush when having a four flush after the flop are 7.48:1.
LOL, I hope you're joking. Everyone should know the chance of hitting the flush by the river is 35%.

Rule of 4: Multiply the number of outs you have on the flop by 4 to approximate the percentage chance you have of getting there by the river. So if you have 2 hearts and there are 2 on the board, that leaves 9 other hearts... 9 x 4 = 36% chance (approximate).

If you have 13 outs or more on the flop then you will get there by the river over half the time!
  #10  
25-03-2007, 12:13 AM
12skin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWidowToker View Post
well this certainly doesn't apply to me. if i get a flush draw on the flop, 9/10 times i don't make it.
Yes, but nine times out of ten the other guy does.
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