Anyone who plays on Full Tilt Poker or plans on it Read this

Here is the last hand I played in a tournament in which I believe I could have made it into the top 3... possibly first place. Everything was going well until we got to the money, then this happened. The key parts to the hand are in bold... Notice the chat before the flop comes down...

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FullTiltPoker Game #3265388264: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (24879059), Table 23 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:43:33 ET - 2007/08/15

Seat 1: misterchames (20,717)
Seat 2: AcesUp123 (14,881)
Seat 3: tyler318 (23,680)
Seat 4: Burello (21,392)
Seat 5: icegator2 (13,876)
Seat 6: LuckySweety (30,139)
Seat 7: RDS45 (3,645)
Seat 8: Sid Vegas (28,250)
Seat 9: Jfrisella (8,430)
misterchames antes 125
AcesUp123 antes 125
tyler318 antes 125
Burello antes 125
icegator2 antes 125
LuckySweety antes 125
RDS45 antes 125
Sid Vegas antes 125
Jfrisella antes 125
Sid Vegas posts the small blind of 500
Jfrisella posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AcesUp123 [Ad 2d]
misterchames folds
AcesUp123 raises to 14,756, and is all in
tyler318 folds
Burello folds
icegator2 has 15 seconds left to act
icegator2 has requested TIME
icegator2 calls 13,751, and is all in
LuckySweety folds
RDS45 folds
Sid Vegas calls 14,256
Sid Vegas: WTF
Jfrisella has 15 seconds left to act
Sid Vegas: I did not CALL
Jfrisella: im folding tens
Sid Vegas: I didnt even push a button
Jfrisella has timed out
Jfrisella folds
AcesUp123 shows [Ad 2d]
icegator2 shows [Ah Kh]
Sid Vegas shows [8d Qc]
Jfrisella: i should call
*** FLOP *** [8c 5c Js]
*** TURN *** [8c 5c Js] 2♣
*** RIVER *** [8c 5c Js 2c] 8♥
AcesUp123 shows two pair, Eights and Twos
Sid Vegas shows three of a kind, Eights
Sid Vegas wins the side pot (2,010) with three of a kind, Eights
icegator2 shows a pair of Eights
Sid Vegas wins the main pot (43,37 with three of a kind, Eights
Sid Vegas: HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAH
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 45,388 Main pot 43,378. Side pot 2,010. | Rake 0
Board: [8c 5c Js 2c 8h]
Seat 1: misterchames folded before the Flop
Seat 2: AcesUp123 showed [Ad 2d] and lost with two pair, Eights and Twos
Seat 3: tyler318 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Burello folded before the Flop
Seat 5: icegator2 showed [Ah Kh] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: LuckySweety folded before the Flop
Seat 7: RDS45 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Sid Vegas (small blind) showed [8d Qc] and won (45,38 with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 9: Jfrisella (big blind) folded before the Flop
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Now... I know from playing multiple hands with him, that Sid Vegas would not even consider calling that, and the fact that he said what he said before any cards even came up, there is no question in my mind that this happened because of some outside force. I have actually had this same thing happen to me where I did not click anything but the software automatically called or folded my hand. It was only in limit games, so it was not a big deal.

In my calculations, I would have been in roughly 3rd place in the tournament if this outside force was not present, but instead, I got put out.


I emailed Full Tilt Poker security about this, and here is what they sent back.

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Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Customer Support.

After reviewing the hand history, we have seen that there was no
technical errors during hand number 3265388264. Are finding have shown
that player ID Sid Vegas, did press the call button.
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Not only a complete grammatical disaster, but also, there was obviously no investigation done to even warrant a reply. Are these the type of people on Full Tilt who are protecting us from collusion and other problems these sites experience every day?

All of my money is now gone from that site, and I suggest to anyone who has money on Full Tilt Poker that they remove it swiftly and find another place to play for cash. I know that most sites take security seriously, but it is quite apparent that Full Tilt does not.

This thread reminds me of the rigged threads. Part of the issue here is techology, I play on a laptop and it's got one of those touchpads...and oftentimes will have my palm hit the touchpad of the computer and exit me out of a game...or fold when i want to call and has actually hit the Raise Pot button. I think when you play poker online there ARE risks some of those risks include will you connection go dead?? Will there be a thunderstorm 2 hours into a 5 hour tourney? Will there be a technical glitch that would change the outcome of the game...MAYBE, but I would think it to be VERY rare and there is not a whole lot to do about it.

was he in another game at the time ?, otherwise he seemed suprised, but then the reaction 2 his win ? hmmmmm

lol he probably pressed it by accident or maybe he actually called but was too imberrassed to admit it..
i highly doubt full tilt is hackable and even if it was who would hack a $5 tourny neway? i think the tilt has gotten to your head

If he had no problems before or after this hand, then I would be highly suspicitious of his accusations. He either accidentally pushed it or did it on purpose and wanted everyone to think otherwise, because it was a bad call. Either way, I don't think it has anything to do with full tilt's ability to have a secure and competent site.

Basically same thing GiveUpFishy said.

I agree with Wonka22, it's just one of the risks of playing online poker, take it or leave it, I think you just got to control what you can control and just play your best.

For what it's worth, I use a laptop and just last night went to move the cursor to the "fold" button from the "raise" button and touched a little too hard, accidently called a BIG raise on a hand with me holding rags. The big raiser must have been blind stealing because he folded to me! Ironies of life.

i agree with the lap touch, situations... been there so many times...must addmit though i only play little table real money poker ,only money from what i win in the free rolls ,for the time being.....but have also went all in on a call ....that might be like why the hell did she call that????? some times it is hectic here or i know i have things to do so i might have my days...if i hit i hit and damn il hit hehehehe and the days i realy want to play it wont come up...poker for ya, the chance u take hmmmm think its called gambling...but just saying u realy never know what the reason might be .... liek this...in fake chips even called a all in i have lots in bank but like five 5k in bank at table i called when i had 4 7 ..i lost big whip ohhhh my did i get so rheeemed out from another player told him nicely dont worry how i play my cards.....i lost 5k big whip.....well he just kept it up well he didnt know i play those cards a lot. in memery of my absolute friend she died of cancer and that was her fave ..her birthday.... when i finally told him why..... wich i feel i shouldnt of had to explain why.....he was like ya ...well still stupid call......so keep in mind every one my ahve their stupid calls for a good reason

damn, thought this was important.....o well

Well I have been playing full tilt for a long time and sounds to me like your buddy was drunk and hit the button, cause nothing like that has ever happened here.

I'll admit that twice I didn't press call / fold / raise and my guy called an all-in (I can't explain it, just kinda happened and I thought maybe something happened on my side, and it probably was). This was the small, small amount of time I played on FullTilt. I won 1 big hand, and the other one I lost but to a short stack :\

I don't think this is FullTilt related, for all we know he might have said that to not look like a donk, to be like " *presses call and realizes what a stupid call that really is* oh no this was an accident!"

Sometimes when I am multi-tabling and I click on a window in the background, I will accidentally click fold//call//bet etc.

sticky button . . .?

Why worry he won and that is that, human or computer mistake don't matter in the end he won.
Never mind better luck next time aye

Just suppose here for a minute and consider that perhaps, maybe that it wasnt a Full Tilt conspiracy.

Why are we so keen to accept computer errors - but not human errors.

I would suggest sit and watch your pc for a day and see what it does wrong and then see how many times in a day you yourself (the human here) make tiny errors.


*i too have pressed a button in error before now (not at a good time either )

FULL TILT pokers customer service is a joke, almost non existent, go to there forum and read for yourself

One time I was sitting there with KK on a donkament on FT, and it came around to me after like 3 all-ins and it folded my hand... was pissed... =/

Thats the only problem I ever had tho, I did NOT click on fold or have a box checked it was just retarded.

what i hate is when you accidentally call bets by thinking you are clicking the check button and you call a 10X the big blind raise with 72 offsuit...worst day of my life whenever that happens.

When I was playing on Fulltilt and I know darn good and well I didnt click the call button. But I have not had it happen since.

If it was you I'd believe you. A friend, he probably screwed up.

I've thought this happened to me a couple times but I was never sure, ya' know

Do You Really Want To Call 3 All In's With KK??

*WARNING: OLD THREAD*

Thank you

this is very interesting havent seen anything like this before....ive actually called bby accident wile multitabling ina big tourney to go and get second and win 630$ lol but i dont see how no one called or how he didnt call but the software did???

What calculations did you do to find out you would have gotten third place if this didn't happen?

So far several people reported that they have had the same problem. I don't think we should discount the possibility that FTs software has a bug that manifests itself very infrequently.

There is a big difference accidentally doing a different action and not touching anything and the software calling.

FT should investigate this and not just brush it aside. Also, they should send their customer support to first grade to learn some basic grammar.

Isn't there a big red warning on old threads, right above where you type:

This thread is over 1 month old, you may consider starting a new thread.

Why do people just ignore this?

While I hate to support these types of theories, I actually ran into a guy at the OFC freeroll who was saying similar things.

He kept saying his hand would get automatically folded without even seeing his cards and that he couldn't control it. Not that I believe an anonymous freeroller, but I don't see a reason for someone to start lying about that at a table.

I thought that the same thing was happening to me. I wouldn't do anything and my hand would be automatically folded or called. I realized this was happening when I went to another screen and then clicked back in to Full Tilt. I would accidently click on the betting box and one of the buttons would automatically selected.

i think it's too polite, not threatening enough. maybe it should say:

This thread is over 1 month old, start a new thread or we'll kidnap your dog and hold it for ransom.

been playing at full tilt foralmost a year and have never had anything like this happen

I actually had this happen to me at a bodog freeroll. It took me all of like two hands to figure out to just close bodog and reload the program.

LOL this guy bumped it....

uhhh, because id be against like 10 Q 44 and 76

its a full tilt poker donkament, so yes of course i would have called for fun with my KK.

Rigged!

I realize this thread began a long time ago, but this happened to me. I have a mouse connected to my laptop...and I often mistakenly hit send ot accidentally move my cursor to a spot in a document where I wasn't intending to type. This often places my cursor in the middle of an otherwise nicely worded paragraph or another God-awful plpace to begin typing sometthing that shouldn't be put there. Go to your laptop's control panel and disable your touchpad. You'll have to use a mouse when you use the computer, but you'll never hit the call/fold or raise buttons accidentally, again!

My question is why did the OP shove with A2? He sucked out on the AK if the winner hadn't called.