Am i going to get another quad Ks in my life?

#1 17th September 2006, 3:55 AM

This was a heads up match at PS:

PokerStars Game #6312762452: Tournament #32025020, $20+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/16 - 22:25:40 (ET)
Table '32025020 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JesusLederer (1240 in chips)
Seat 2: rawbd0015 (1760 in chips)
JesusLederer: posts small blind 10
rawbd0015: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JesusLederer [Ks Kh]
JesusLederer: calls 10
rawbd0015: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd Js 2h]
rawbd0015: checks
JesusLederer: bets 20
rawbd0015: calls 20
*** TURN *** [Kd Js 2h] K♣
rawbd0015: bets 40
JesusLederer: calls 40
*** RIVER *** [Kd Js 2h Kc] [Th]
rawbd0015: bets 80
JesusLederer: raises 160 to 240
rawbd0015: folds
JesusLederer collected 320 from pot
JesusLederer: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 320 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Js 2h Kc Th]
Seat 1: JesusLederer (button) (small blind) collected (320)
Seat 2: rawbd0015 (big blind) folded on the River

Well, nothing out of this world. Everybody can get four of a kind, but then, 8 hands later, came this:

PokerStars Game #6312809869: Tournament #32025020, $20+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/16 - 22:29:26 (ET)
Table '32025020 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JesusLederer (2310 in chips)
Seat 2: rawbd0015 (690 in chips)
JesusLederer: posts small blind 10
rawbd0015: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JesusLederer [Kh Kc]
JesusLederer: raises 40 to 60
rawbd0015: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [9s 9h Kd]
rawbd0015: bets 20
JesusLederer: raises 40 to 60
rawbd0015: calls 40
*** TURN *** [9s 9h Kd] K♠
rawbd0015: bets 40
JesusLederer: raises 60 to 100
rawbd0015: calls 60
*** RIVER *** [9s 9h Kd Ks] 2♥
rawbd0015: bets 100
JesusLederer: raises 1990 to 2090 and is all-in
rawbd0015: folds
JesusLederer collected 640 from pot
JesusLederer: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 640 | Rake 0
Board [9s 9h Kd Ks 2h]
Seat 1: JesusLederer (button) (small blind) collected (640)
Seat 2: rawbd0015 (big blind) folded on the River

For all those skeptics, this is the empirical proof that online poker (or at least PS) is rigged.

#2 17th September 2006, 4:08 AM

Why are you limping with kings?

I know it's heads up but, if your opponent is like me and plays any two cards heads up, unraised, then he could catch two pair, like I did with my 62 offsuit against a guy with pocket Aces

#3 17th September 2006, 1:48 PM

spooky! guess that's your lot

i played in a cash game on CD few days ago and lost with quads

J2 in bb, folded to sb, sb called

board: 288 2 2

sb had 88

anno

#4 17th September 2006, 4:28 PM

You mean there is a hand called Quads? What is that? (insert sarcasm)

I can't even remember the last time I got quads never mind so close together like yours.

#5 18th September 2006, 10:57 AM

I've gotten Quads fewer than 5 times in my texas hold' em life... can't even imagine 2 in the same tourney.

#6 18th September 2006, 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus Lederer

Well, nothing out of this world. Everybody can get four of a kind, but then, 8 hands later, came this:

PokerStars Game #6312809869: Tournament #32025020, $20+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/16 - 22:29:26 (ET)
Table '32025020 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JesusLederer (2310 in chips)
Seat 2: rawbd0015 (690 in chips)
JesusLederer: posts small blind 10
rawbd0015: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JesusLederer [Kh Kc]
JesusLederer: raises 40 to 60
rawbd0015: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [9s 9h Kd]
rawbd0015: bets 20
JesusLederer: raises 40 to 60
rawbd0015: calls 40
*** TURN *** [9s 9h Kd] K♠
rawbd0015: bets 40
JesusLederer: raises 60 to 100
rawbd0015: calls 60
*** RIVER *** [9s 9h Kd Ks] 2♥
rawbd0015: bets 100
JesusLederer: raises 1990 to 2090 and is all-in
^^^he's not going to call this, maybe not even with a 9 if you're playing as solid as you usually do.
rawbd0015: folds
JesusLederer collected 640 from pot
JesusLederer: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 640 | Rake 0
Board [9s 9h Kd Ks 2h]
Seat 1: JesusLederer (button) (small blind) collected (640)
Seat 2: rawbd0015 (big blind) folded on the River

Just nitpicking at your hand

I like the size of your raises; he seemed to want to hang on (no draw on the flop...not sure what he had) so maybe bet a little less on the river to suck him in. I don't like that all in on the river; I'd probably just minraise his bet there to try and milk him. Maybe up to 300. I mean what could he have that he will call all in with? Give him decent odds to call, and maybe you make a little more on the hand.

And yes, we all know that PS is rigged. Obviously.

#7 18th September 2006, 3:29 PM

I just saw 4 8's come out in a row on the final tourney table. 2 peeps had aces so they split the blinds.

#8 18th September 2006, 8:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckTs

Just nitpicking at your hand

I like the size of your raises; he seemed to want to hang on (no draw on the flop...not sure what he had) so maybe bet a little less on the river to suck him in. I don't like that all in on the river; I'd probably just minraise his bet there to try and milk him. Maybe up to 300. I mean what could he have that he will call all in with? Give him decent odds to call, and maybe you make a little more on the hand.

And yes, we all know that PS is rigged. Obviously.

After his $100 river bet he only had $370 left, so i thought that he either was going to call any raise or just fold. If i raised up to 300 like you suggested and he called, he would only have $170 left, so in my opinion there wasn´t any difference in raising up to $300 or raising all in. Obviously he had nothing, because i´m 91.3% sure that he would have called even with A high. And of course i´m 99.8% sure that he would have called with a 9. He was a calling station that generally liked bluffing in the river(i discovered that after the first time i had KK, and that´s why you can see clearly how i changed the betting strategy between both hands). So the main reason of why a raised all in in the river was his stack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckTs

he's not going to call this, maybe not even with a 9 if you're playing as solid as you usually do.

By solid you mean weak tight? No, i don´t play like that in heads up simply because i can´t. I would lose almost every match if i played like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckTs

I mean what could he have that he will call all in with?

I´ll answer with a question: with what hand do you think that he would call a minraise but not an all in raise?

#9 18th September 2006, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus Lederer

After his $100 river bet he only had $370 left, so i thought that he either was going to call any raise or just fold. enough said; i should have paid more attention to the stack sizes If i raised up to 300 like you suggested and he called, he would only have $170 left, so in my opinion there wasn´t any difference in raising up to $300 or raising all in. Obviously he had nothing, because i´m 91.3% sure that he would have called even with A high. And of course i´m 99.8% sure that he would have called with a 9. He was a calling station that generally liked bluffing in the river(i discovered that after the first time i had KK, and that´s why you can see clearly how i changed the betting strategy between both hands). So the main reason of why a raised all in in the river was his stack.

By solid you mean weak tight? Not at all; I mean a solid TAG game. No, i don´t play like that in heads up simply because i can´t. I would lose almost every match if i played like that. What I meant was not the same style you play 10-handed or full-table, but 'solid' (or TAG) relative to HU play if you know what I mean.

I´ll answer with a question: with what hand do you think that he would call a minraise but not an all in raise? Well now that I've actually seen his stack size, I think we can safely say that pushing and raising any amount are pretty much the same action.

See Bold

#10 19th September 2006, 6:26 AM

Also just saw a guy pull 4 q's & then 4 8's on the next hand.

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