To all who think any online poker site is rigged

I envite you to try a little experiment that may just open your eyes to reality. If it doesnt, either there is no hope for you, or you just like whining about your poor poker playing!

This is what you need:

1 standard deck of playing cards

1 note pad

1 pencil

roughly an hour of your time

This is what you do:

Deal out face up a ten seated table.

Do this 50 times

Mark down what every hand is won with

Mark down suck out wins

Mark down kicker wins

Mark down how many times AA's KK's QQ's JJ's are cracked

Do this online now

Mark down folded wins online


Yes, I realize its not the same thing. You can't see every time online what the winning hand is because of folds when playing online. Just keep track of that as well. You will begin to realize how many hands two pair and one pair are dealt out each and every hand, and how many folded winners there are. How many times have you said to yourself or seen someone else say, "ahhh, I shouldnt have folded!! I folded a flush!" and so on and so on...

Here is an example of my numbers:

ONLINE

Winning hands A's: 1 K's: 2 Q's: 2 J's: 1

Split pot: 3 out of 50

Folded out winning hands: 20 of 50

1 PR: 6 of 50
2PR: 13 of 50
3 of kind: 7 of 50
Straight: 2 of 50
Flush: 1 of 50
Full: 2 of 50

Won with high kicker: 6 of 50

Hands won when starting hand was weaker than opponents(sucking out)

Turn: 3 of 50
River: 5 of 50

Losing Hands A's: 1 K's: 1 Q's: 2 J's: 2

1 pr: 8
2 pr: 4
3 0f kind: 1
Straight: 1
Flush: 1
Full: 1


REAL DEAL

Winning hands A's: 2 K's: 1 Q's: 2 J's: 1

Split Pot: 6 of 50
1pr: 3 of 50
2pr: 10 of 50
3 of kind: 7 of 50
Straight: 4 of 50
Flush: 10 of 50
Full: 8 of 50
4 of Kind: 1 of 50

Higher kicker: 3

Suck outs:

Turn: 11
River: 6

Losing Hands A's: 1 K's: 1 Q's: 1 J's: 3

1pr: 82
2pr: 80
3 of a kind: 4
straight: 5
Flush: 4
Full: 3

Okay, this is a lot of info to take in. I did this ten times, these numbers reflect the average between 10 different sessions. That's a total of 500 online and 500 real deal hands. I think this is more than a fair representation.

If you examine these numbers you can learn something from them (at least I would hope) If you look at the losing hands under REAL DEAL you can see how amazingly many losing hands are dealt out each deal!! In 50 deals over on average 183 losing hands are dealt!!!!! 80 2 pairs were loser! 4 3 of a kinds! 5 straights!! 4 flushes!!! 2 Fulls!!!! On average over 50 hands dealt 1 pock aces gets cracked! 1 pock K's! 1 pock Q's!! 3 pock J's!!

Now dont go thinking this means that these numbers happens every 50 deals...its an average. 500 deals on average these numbers happen every 50 deals.

I hope this shines a little light on the whole "rigged" business.


Shaun "The Mon"

i think a thread very similar to this was posted not to long ago.

anyways, common sense none-the-less, but then again when it comes to these people...... i mean if your calling with A2 on a flop of A5k and someone raised you preflop. When the showdown is A2 vs AQ and you start crying rigged, well, comon sense is kinda vacant within the person in questions mind.

Or, you could play 110,000 cash game hands, and 180,000+ tournament hands tracked by PT and see that the stats are right where they should be. Like the guy here did.

or u can play 500,000 cash game hands.if u 20table 8 hours a day every day it would not take too long

I was just sayin...lol

Ya, great screenshots, source not at all biased, that about settles it....

Or you could accept that any amount of hands that you play will still be too small a sample size to prove anything...

Well that all depends on how many hands you play