all in idiot wins again

#36 06-08-2008, 3:08 AM

Getting aces cracked definitely sucks, but you have to put it all into context.

I was playing in a REBUY tournament yesterday and cracked the same player's pocket aces twice in the first half hour. Both times I turned a flush. The first time I pushed all-in preflop with A8s and he called. The second time he min-raised on my big blind and i called with ace-rag. I pushed all-in with the nut flush draw on the flop.

My point is, it was a rebuy game and my strategy was to play loose aggressive for the first hour to try to build a big stack.

Nevertheless, my opponent was not happy with me. Before declining to rebuy for the second time, he typed in the chat box: "I will see you in hell."

That gave me a great laugh.

#37 06-08-2008, 7:49 PM

I think we all feel your pain man. I got beat in the middle of a full tilt tourney yesterday when I had aces, bet kinda big pre flop, and got called. The board hit 4A7 rainbow, so I go all in. He, with a Q6 heart, calls and catches an 8, then a 5, and beats me, and then proceeds to talk shit. I was pretty upset. But it happens.

#38 06-08-2008, 7:56 PM

I just cracked a pair of rockets with pocket Qs. No ace on the board and a Q on the turn. Makes ya feel good!

#39 06-08-2008, 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DEVILRAISE

you need to play like a donkey to beat a donkey. you cant play regular poker online. I found that out the hard way. fish for flushes!, donk that straight on the river. make 2 7 off your best friend. its the only way to win. I have played live poker in hard rock and the dog tracks for years and never saw the crap that I see online. sad fact...you must become a donkey to win.

Sorry to say this but, this is one of the most stupidest posts I have ever seen. to beat a donkey is easy,

#40 06-08-2008, 8:24 PM

I don't care what any one says online poker is not like playing real card poker. I know bad beats happen with real cards too, but not nearly as often. I'm sure i'll get some sweet reply like if you don't like online don't play. I like playing and most of the time it's what available. Please remember what this site is for, opinions not just nasty replies.

#41 06-08-2008, 9:07 PM

Just because you had pocket aces doesn't guarantee you a win. I believe they win 80% of the time which means you lose 20% of the time. So you got the 1 out of 5.

The more fish that are in a hand, the more suck outs you're going to have.

#42 06-08-2008, 10:44 PM

I think we can blame all the donk play on T.V., most of the time they only show hands when someone gets sucked out on. I personally have noticed that since poker has become so popular on T.V., that it doesn't matter if you are playing online or live, more people are playing less and less premium hands.

#43 07-08-2008, 6:56 PM

if your a careful player or good player the guys you call idiots are no problem , you would know when to call them or not , i also do think the game is rigged but i try to take that of my mind cause you will only always have that excuse everytime you lose, just try to play and dont worry about what others have and just try to win your game.

#44 08-08-2008, 2:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DEVILRAISE

you need to play like a donkey to beat a donkey. you cant play regular poker online. I found that out the hard way. fish for flushes!, donk that straight on the river. make 2 7 off your best friend. its the only way to win. I have played live poker in hard rock and the dog tracks for years and never saw the crap that I see online. sad fact...you must become a donkey to win.

very true there is a BIIIIIIIIIG difference between online and live......you will never see monster flops and qauds beating qauds and royal flushes beating str8 flushes and so on in live poker but i guess u learn to deal with it i expect my AA to get beat so push hard with it lol

#45 08-08-2008, 2:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bdean1

very true there is a BIIIIIIIIIG difference between online and live......you will never see monster flops and qauds beating qauds and royal flushes beating str8 flushes and so on in live poker but i guess u learn to deal with it i expect my AA to get beat so push hard with it lol

I lol'd.

How can you say you'll never see this in live games?

#46 08-08-2008, 2:29 AM

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Originally Posted by philthy

WTF is going on in this thread?

1. Why you want to play bad players.
Well, think about it for a second: Where do you make the money from?

Bad players.

If you were playing all good, thinking, calculated players all the time, you wouldn't get anywhere. The only action you would probably get is AA vs KK and how often does that happen? It seem like so many of you hate that these bad players chase all the time or they go all in with trash or they call you down with bad hands. What you don't realize is: THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT! This is where the profits come in. You want to play bad players because the more mistakes they make, the more profitable it is for you.

Repeat: The more mistakes a bad player makes, the more profitable it is for you.

Yeah, soak that in for a bit.

The reason why you think you want to play good players is because they usually do the right thing. They fold when they're beat, they dont chase their draws, etc. The thing about poker is that its not about winning hands, its about winning pots and making profit. And you make profits by exploited the mistakes in players while reducing yours. If you're playing players who aren't going to be exploited like this, then you'll get nowhere.

2. To beat a donk, you have to play like one.
What is this crap? You know what? Go ahead and play like one and show me how you really do. And I dont mean show me one or two hands you've won. Show me a big enough sample that shows this is profitable. Continue to chase flush draws without proper odds, play garbage hands, and everything that is consider 'Donkish' and show me how well you're really doing.

You do not have to dumb your game down just to beat these level of players. Like it was said earlier, how are you going to beat good players if you cant beat the bad ones? How do you beat the bad players? You adjust your game and you exploit them. Don't keep making the same mistakes vs bad players, but force them to keep making the same mistakes for you. These are bottom level thinkers, the easiest to take advantage of. If you can't beat the bottom, you can't beat the top.

again wow ok i am gonna listen to you from now like i said in previous blogs im still kinda new only been playing poker for maybe a year well u seem to know exactly what ur talking obut and you put ur damn foot down lol i love it can i add you ? ty lol

#47 08-08-2008, 2:32 AM

I realy dont play a hand under AQ before the blinds are large enough to matter. Early on peeps all in on nothing alot. Let others weed the junk players early anmd be paitient. Sometmes its just the way it is. I saw some cat on tv the other night get a bracelet with 10 4 call all in on I think AQ. Flop was 10 10 something and turn was a 10. Go figure.

Thats poker baby, dont ya love it.

#48 08-08-2008, 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bdean1

again wow ok i am gonna listen to you from now like i said in previous blogs im still kinda new only been playing poker for maybe a year well u seem to know exactly what ur talking obut and you put ur damn foot down lol i love it can i add you ? ty lol

Heh...too much credit, IMO. I get by on what I know, I guess...LOL. Im not a great player or anything and, in fact, Im still learning so much. All that I know now, I've learned from experience, books, and other helpful members on CC.

Oh, and not being an ass or anything, but use punctuation marks in your post. They help out a lot.

#49 08-08-2008, 4:11 AM

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Originally Posted by hornellfred

Has anyone ever won a hand short stacked that they had no right winning? This gets evened out when you lose with aa. What I don't get is would you feel better if qq or jj beat you. The only thing I care about is I got beat. Get over it and move on you will catch a pot you are a big underdog in and someone else can call you a donk

I'm 0 for 4 with aces. Haven't cracked aces in a long time.

I'd rather be beaten by QQ than 27 if I'm holding AA.

It sucks, there is nothing you can do about it really if someone gets extreamly lucky.

#50 08-08-2008, 4:13 AM

0/4 is such a tiny sample.

#51 08-08-2008, 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by philthy

0/4 is such a tiny sample.

My bad... 0 for 4 in the last two days

#52 08-08-2008, 6:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SankTheTank

My bad... 0 for 4 in the last two days

Try getting 0 for 100, then ill be shocked.

Or 0 for 1000!

Near statistically impossible...but....

Seriously, just because aces lose 4 times it means one of 2 things. You are either playing them wrong/badly. Or you are just running bad.

#53 09-08-2008, 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by davejs1671@yahoo.com

One thing I found that helped me a lot was to just sit out the first 45 mins. to an hour. It gives a lot of those idiots a chance to donk off their chips and then you can play a more serious game against them. Of course you still have to watch for them and when you find yourself in a hand with them I try to keep the pots moderate that way if I do loose with a good hand at least I am still in and can just avoid pots with them as I build my chips back up.

I agree this is my current strategy - but then soem idiot who got lucky with a ton of chips will go all in no matter what they have - for example - I just got chopped up with a top flop pair of kings with a queen kicker - guy had 80k in chip sand called with an ace high - caught it on the turn - wtf? ace high in the last 100 players? sick

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Originally Posted by jjallin4fun

Yes I feel at most times it is rigged and makes me so upset.
If people all played good cards I think we could seriously have a good poker game! =)

I think these sites reward the donkeys by letting them catch chasing - they are kamikaze winners - makes it really tough to stick it out for reals - hard to go into a five hour investment of time with a wreckless ending like it seems to always play out to be - bleh!

#54 09-08-2008, 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by royalmikeaces

how can you win in these tournaments ?when you have idiots going all in with crap and keep sucking out.i lost yesterday night having pocket rockets 2 a guy who had 27 offsuit.things like this make you want a quit playing.it seems rigged.

i know how you feel, its almost like when you are playing online, you get the worst suckouts. the thing is that there are soooo many hands being played so fast online, it feels rigged because you focus on those losing hands more rather than the "normal" hands play out the "textbook" way

#55 09-08-2008, 5:20 PM

Last night I played agianst a guy on full tillt who went all in on every single hand an fluctuated but eventually got up to about 11k in the first five minutes. The scary thing is that when you call them and you've got a good hand there is no telling what they are holding. I eventually took a majority of his stack with pocket kings and Ace Queen but like thats been pointed out he beat some of those types of hands with terrible cards and he also had a few hands that he won with some pretty good cards himself. I guess you got some guys who just love to flip a coin, or more likely are just idiots.

#56 09-08-2008, 5:30 PM

In Harrington's book, he says something that I like. Actually he says it not for online game but it is applicable I guess. You have pocket pair and flop hits, you have a set now. The guy before you raises and you raise all-in. He calls. He has a bigger set. Harrington says, "Accept the fact that it wasn't not your tourney, get prepared for the next one." You have AA and he has 74s. You go all-in, he calls. And he wins. You can do nothing except smilin a bitter smile. But hope that you'll play another tourney with that donkey somewhere and he'll make the same play. Coz in the long turn, you'll absolutely take his money.

#57 09-08-2008, 5:34 PM

nice point tennkid. Absolutely aggreing with you. But if the blinds get bigger and your M value decreases. It kind of comes to that point.

#58 09-08-2008, 6:46 PM

Everytime, everywhere you find a lot of donks, they only play with her luck as with strategy. Because that the people thinks that poker is no strategy, than a luckplay. Its a shame that the donks often win games and tournaments with that kind of play. When you have a strategy where you can't loose against that kind of players, please tell me

Greets,

Bluestone

#59 09-08-2008, 7:06 PM

Well Bluestone, I would have to flatly disagree that donks "often" win tournaments. Certainly not anything larger than STT's anyway. I've never seen a total donk 3 hours into a tournament. We've already covered the strategy that won't lose against donkeys most of the time, but of course there's no strategy that can't.

#60 09-08-2008, 7:09 PM

Its a tough break but no hand is supposed to always win. Although frustrating, thats part of poker and you have to deal with it.

#61 09-08-2008, 9:39 PM

if it was in freeroll u shouldnt be suprised. most go into them with a crappy attitude (just a freeroll) and just roll the dice. i call em bingo players. u just have to try to avoid them.

#62 09-08-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DEVILRAISE

you need to play like a donkey to beat a donkey. you cant play regular poker online. I found that out the hard way. fish for flushes!, donk that straight on the river. make 2 7 off your best friend. its the only way to win. I have played live poker in hard rock and the dog tracks for years and never saw the crap that I see online. sad fact...you must become a donkey to win.

Wow you don't really believe this advice do you ?????

#63 10-08-2008, 5:33 AM

Sad but true but Pocket aces lose 75% of there value post flop

#64 10-08-2008, 6:58 AM

As a donk myself, here's a hint....if you don't want to play against someone going all in with a 2-7, play someone with something on the line...i.e., no freerolls. Of course you don't see people play like this in a casino. It's because there aren't freerolls in a casino (not the one's i've seen), so if someone did that, its costing them real money (even if they do win it 10% of the time, or wutev).
Beating bad players is the best way to go, as most people beat on me.
And even though i can often play loose to the flop, and sometimes take down a conservative player with KK or AA, the fact is, that strategy costs me tons of chips, until i get the right hand that works out. And like ferguson says in his 10,000 blog, if you play tight heads up, only playing top cards, it won't matter if you double up with AA, because you will have already fallen behind. Same is true with us donks, we may win once in a while, but its a guaranteed loss down the road.

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