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  #1  
27-07-2005, 7:21 PM
XXIII
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Advice or Thoughts

Playing in a tournament I am in the big blind with an A9 suited diamond. I raise it to 350 to go since everyone just called the BB.

Flop comes Ah 9c 10c someone bets 125 with 2 pair I raise it to 1040. 1 guy calls.

Turn is a 6c he goes all in (About 840)

Should I have called or no?

I easily have him covered but I know there is a flush on the board. Would you have called?

I did. It wasn't many chips but of course he was playing a 7 J of clubs (J7?)

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But I have given up on seeing people playing good hands. But usually when I do make it near the end its the people I know who play the good hands.
 

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  #2  
27-07-2005, 7:25 PM
IrishDave
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Whenever there is a 3 flush on the board I assume someone has it (which in most cases they do). Can't tell you how many times I folded/lost with top 2 pair to two suited hole cards - and not A-K. I am very quick to fold unless the flop is rainbow as flushes online are about as common as mosquitos in the South. In answer, no I would not have called...
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27-07-2005, 7:28 PM
XXIII
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Now would you have made that same choice if I said the river came a 9h?
  #4  
27-07-2005, 7:51 PM
xdmanx007
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yep pot size pretty much made you call there sometimes it is correct to call with a good hand eventhough you think you are behind. This is especially true in tournaments when you have a chance to knock a guy out. The reasoning behind calling in cash games is MUCH more complicated maybe when I feel like stirring the pot I will go in depth on it.
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27-07-2005, 11:58 PM
spillff14
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in it to the end

if i have put more than half the pot there then i am the type that will call it and think about it later after all it is a gambling game so yes i would have called him no matter what
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28-07-2005, 12:54 AM
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Unless I was pot committed I would fold. I find I play much better if I don't dwell on the folded hands I would have won (and it's been quite a few). I just accept the decision I make and move on to the next hand. We've all seen the 7-7-2 flops on a number of occasions; however, how many of us play a 7-2 very often if at all...
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28-07-2005, 2:06 AM
chicubs1616
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I don't like your raise preflop here, with everyone just calling you could easily be behind a bigger ace. A9 suited is early position is not a great hand.

If you are certain your opponent has a flush on the turn you HAVE TO FOLD. I know its only for 840 more chips and there is ~4000 in the pot. You are only getting ~ 5:1 pots odds for this call. Against a made hand like a flush you are drawing to four outs (two aces and two nines) so you have a 4/45 or ~9% chance of hitting your outs, which justify a fold here (If pot odds are not equal to or better than odds of hitting your hand, do NOT call).

This opponent seemed to play the hand like he had a flush draw. This tournament was probably a freeroll...therefore it is pretty easy to put him on a flush here.

In a more competetive environment I would call this bet since you are pot committed if you are UNSURE of what your opponent has.

The only reason I say fold in your certain circumstance is because it is blatantly obvious that your opponent has hit his flush and there is no point putting more chips in with so few outs.
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28-07-2005, 8:40 PM
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I think a fold is wise here, 3 card flush showin' I almost 99% of the time fold unless It's someone I think is bettin' everything.
But I think it's a good fold here.
I think I would of raised pot amount on BB with everyone flat calls
maybe taht would of weeded out some of the crap hands.
  #9  
28-07-2005, 9:59 PM
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Hi,
Quote:
I don't like your raise preflop here, with everyone just calling you could easily be behind a bigger ace. A9 suited is early position is not a great hand.
He said he was in the BB...that is late position and if someone had A with big kicker surely someone would of raised it themselves? i know i would of done to prevent a cheap flop. I think his preflop raise was spot on but everyone has their own opinion and thats why we have poker and a forum.
John
  #10  
29-07-2005, 1:12 AM
rk92559
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Thats why online poker is so hard, they say you want to play against bad players. But thats where I get in trouble the most. Ran into it the other day, was in the cutoff with AA, first had raised the blinds from 30 to 60...I laid out 400 hoping for a call, all fold but him..he calls...board was 9d5d8d..he bet 125..I raised him all in, he shows Q2 of diamonds....Call 400 with Q2 of diamonds?? if the guy had AK of diamonds, ok...made a bad call and got broke...but who knows what these retards are gonna do.
  #11  
29-07-2005, 11:29 PM
teach21
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sure..

you gotta call that hand..you're pot committed, and he may well be on a draw or have ak or aq or something...if you're beat, so be it
  #12  
31-07-2005, 2:41 AM
Bill_Hollorian
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Have an issue with pre flop raise.
His call after you pop him to 1040 is a horrible call on his part, but why didn't you push him all in right there? It is clear you have the best hand, and he is drawing to you.
The end call you have to...
Look at it this way. How often do you have to be right to show profit in that situation. There is at least 3000 in the pot, don't know exactly, dont know the blinds etc. but its 840 to win 3000. You only need to be right 1/3.5 times. Good odds.

I would have liked to see him get even worse odds on the flop by you pushing him all in.

Bill
  #13  
01-08-2005, 4:59 AM
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it was a good call, i would have called unless he was a tight player, but then he wouldnt have called ur bet before the flop so yea i would call that
  #14  
01-08-2005, 5:07 AM
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I would have called, but I would have never raised that much pre-flop on only an A 9 of diamonds. Thats gotta be like the 30th best hand, even if everyone else just called the BB!
 

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