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  Poker - AA vs AA
 
  #1  
06-08-2007, 5:04 PM
d'ohh
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AA vs AA

How rare is AA vs AA?
pot calculator anyone?
got my digi? Need to weigh my pot odds.


This is a strange occurence, ofcourse us online folk have probably seen it a few times aswell as the live folk, but we all know where we truly want to see it.............................the tx'holdem table game, whats that pay if u hit it like 10,000 to 1 if u throw your bet down.

Could the worst bad beat be AA vs AA when one of the suits comes running 4 times on the board?
 

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  #2  
06-08-2007, 5:13 PM
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1% pf to lose.
  #3  
06-08-2007, 5:18 PM
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1% pf to lose.
2%
  #4  
06-08-2007, 5:18 PM
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same thing
  #5  
06-08-2007, 5:31 PM
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You may call it a rare occurence, and in fact it may be, but I've been on both the winning and losing end of these at PokerStars tourrney tables. OMG.....rigged,obv.
  #6  
06-08-2007, 5:43 PM
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i was on the losing side once
  #7  
06-08-2007, 10:26 PM
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I was on the losing side with KK vs KK once.
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07-08-2007, 5:59 AM
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Yep, me too, lost em

Hi all,
I had AA in this situation just one time, at pacific poker, other guy ended up with a flush. Strange how they do that so often with pocket pairs, during many many tournaments (MTT) i've seen KK against AA and JJ or something similar, I wonder if it throws high pocket pairs out in one go like that to increase the number of people taken out, it happens such a lot.

Tony
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07-08-2007, 7:23 AM
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1% pf to lose.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanquish View Post
2%
3%? 3% anyone? Do I hear a 3%? Who'll give me 3%? Going once...
  #10  
07-08-2007, 5:46 PM
Dashir
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According to Inside Edge Odds Calculater.... each player has 2.17% chance to win, so 4.34 that one of them will. Once out of every 23 times.
  #11  
07-08-2007, 8:10 PM
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I won the biggest sit and go I played in just like that. You'll not believe this but, 30+3 sin n go first hand!!! I get Ad+ Ah other guy Ac+ As no bull. I small raise and he go's all in and call. All diamond flop and turn. I felt bad for the guy and still dont believe this happened and I played it...

Mike
  #12  
07-08-2007, 8:13 PM
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In my experience, online, I've seen, and got more royals than AA vs AA.

Believe I've seen it twice, with one running the flush to victory.
  #13  
08-08-2007, 12:23 AM
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I was in a tour once where 3 players each had AK 4 players all ined on flop flop was AK5 3 players had AK and the won who won it had pocket 5s...go figure...whats the odds on that one...damn pokerstars
  #14  
08-08-2007, 12:24 AM
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by the way...I'm sure glad I had 78 off on that hand and folded preflop
  #15  
08-08-2007, 5:44 PM
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I was in a tour once where 3 players each had AK 4 players all ined on flop flop was AK5 3 players had AK and the won who won it had pocket 5s...go figure...whats the odds on that one...damn pokerstars
Lol perfect flop for them...and they were all drawing dead
  #16  
08-08-2007, 5:54 PM
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it actually happened last night on the WSOP Pot Limit Hold-em game on ESPN, Phil helmouth and some Gal both were dealt A A and the 3rd. guy had k K, the Aces held up and phil & the gal split the pot, the guy with KK was knocked out,, the odds of 2 players having Pocket AA and a 3rd. having Pocket KK got to be tremendous,,, buck
  #17  
08-08-2007, 9:29 PM
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My sad AA v AA story here.
  #18  
09-08-2007, 1:36 AM
TheDoc
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I had it just the other day on Pokerrom, first time ever. Got all my my money in pre-flop as did my opponent. We just split the pot. It was one of those nights where even if you did get a good hand you either lost it or split it. Sigh.....
  #19  
31-08-2007, 7:05 PM
d'ohh
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Perfectly random Shuffles

Its funny how some people see more odd hands and situations over time and others never see those odd hands even with the exact amount hands played.
Must prove a fact about cards and shuffling 52 in the deck.......

Its always gonna be perfectly random...despite people's cries of "rigged" or "fixed"....however this brings us to the debate how random are the deals if u use the same person or machine to shuffle the 52 cards over a period of time?


The word random is used to express lack of order, purpose, cause, or predictability in non-scientific parlance. A random process is a repeating process whose outcomes follow no describable deterministic pattern, but follow a probability distribution.(wikipedia)
  #20  
31-08-2007, 7:42 PM
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Never seen AA vs AA...

But i've been in a hand with KK vs. KK vs. AA. And i had the AA...

The other similarly unlikely occurrence AK vs AK vs AA. Guess what? I had the AA...

Another time was JJ vs QQ vs KK vs AA. Yup, i had the AA again and hit the A on the river. Scariest hand i ever played. Though i was gonna have a heart attack knowing that any J Q or K would own me. Another funny thing is another player said in chat he folded TT...

Also, I'm the kinda person that forgets the bad beats and just remembers the monsters that i win...
  #21  
31-08-2007, 8:58 PM
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Here are a few:

AA-KK-AA - YouTube - Sick Poker Hand - Phil Hellmuth aces vs. kings vs. aces

Pairs a plenty - YouTube - Completely mental hand from the partypoker open.

Bad beat - YouTube - D'Agostino Bad Beat
  #22  
01-09-2007, 1:45 PM
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I've hit the flush twice AA vs AA and lost to the flush once (FullTilt) in a year of online play. On another note, was once at a small stakes Limit HE cash table holding Ac10c against 3 other players. Flop is all clubs, turn club, river club, there's no paint on the board and all our chips are in the middle. Player to my left has the jack, next guy has the queen, third guy has the king. That was fun.
  #23  
02-09-2007, 5:17 AM
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Well not AA vs. AA but i just came in on the short end of an AA vs QQ vs JJ show down. I'll forget about it in a few days...

PokerStars Game #11821703401: Tournament #59993649, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/09/02 - 00:10:52 (ET)
Table '59993649 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: pritchardme (3780 in chips)
Seat 2: K1LLER^B^ (2220 in chips)
Seat 3: jsirota (2210 in chips)
Seat 4: dj pix (2780 in chips)
Seat 5: craftybugger (2565 in chips)
Seat 6: hro-rob (1370 in chips)
Seat 8: Pud1975 (2175 in chips)
Seat 9: 1SweetDeal (500 in chips)
craftybugger: posts small blind 75
hro-rob: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jsirota [Ac As]
Pud1975: calls 150
1SweetDeal: raises 350 to 500 and is all-in
pritchardme: folds
K1LLER^B^: folds
jsirota: calls 500
dj pix: folds
craftybugger: folds
hro-rob: raises 870 to 1370 and is all-in
Pud1975: folds
jsirota: calls 870
*** FLOP *** [4c Qh Kd]
*** TURN *** [4c Qh Kd] [Tc]
dj pix is sitting out
*** RIVER *** [4c Qh Kd Tc] 5♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hro-rob: shows [Qc Qd] (three of a kind, Queens)
jsirota: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)
hro-rob collected 1740 from side pot
1SweetDeal: shows [Jc Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
hro-rob collected 1725 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3465 Main pot 1725. Side pot 1740. | Rake 0
Board [4c Qh Kd Tc 5c]
Seat 1: pritchardme folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: K1LLER^B^ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jsirota showed [Ac As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: dj pix (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: craftybugger (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: hro-rob (big blind) showed [Qc Qd] and won (3465) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 8: Pud1975 folded before Flop
Seat 9: 1SweetDeal showed [Jc Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
  #24  
03-09-2007, 2:21 AM
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Odds of AA vs AA are 220 (odds of first pair) * 1224 (odds of second pair once first set) or 1 in 269,500 hands. Same for any matching pairs. I had a KK vs KK and lost to the flush.
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03-09-2007, 2:33 AM
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Odds of AA vs AA are 220 (odds of first pair) * 1224 (odds of second pair once first set) or 1 in 269,500 hands. Same for any matching pairs. I had a KK vs KK and lost to the flush.
i think you did this incorrectly, or at the very least, your phrasing was misleading. pretty sure these odds would be correct (i'm assuming, i'll trust your math) if you were talking about heads up play, or specifically, it happening with you against precisely one pre-determined villain. the fact that there are actually multiple players with the opportunity to pick up the pair make the odds significantly better
  #26  
03-09-2007, 3:04 AM
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Yes, that was heads-up odds. If you are at a table with eight other players, it would be 1/8 as big, since, once you set the third ace, the fourth must go in that hand. Math is 52/4 x 51/3 -1 for your pair, then 1/8 x 50/2 x 49/1 -1 for the second.
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03-09-2007, 3:44 AM
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Yes, that was heads-up odds. If you are at a table with eight other players, it would be 1/8 as big, since, once you set the third ace, the fourth must go in that hand. Math is 52/4 x 51/3 -1 for your pair, then 1/8 x 50/2 x 49/1 -1 for the second.

WHAT ?????

Gives the useless number 21200.

Last edited by dj11 : 03-09-2007 at 3:58 AM.
  #28  
03-09-2007, 4:44 AM
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How rare is AA vs AA?
pot calculator anyone?
got my digi? Need to weigh my pot odds.
The useless number is the odds of happening or number of hands that you will have to play on average to see AA vs. AA on a nine player table. But it is 1:33,688.
  #29  
11-04-2008, 11:53 PM
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had AA vs AA three times, one in a tourney-split pot, once in a tourney- i lost to a flush, and this is amazing ONCE ON FULL TILT POKER IN A HEADS UP SIT'N'GO and I WON WITH A FLUSH! Go figure
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12-04-2008, 12:21 AM
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Fantastic.

God!
  #31  
12-04-2008, 5:06 AM
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I have been AA v AA perhaps 3 or 4 times in my life, the last being almost a year ago. Felt bad as the board dealt a flush to me, nice to win but what an awefull suckout to make against a player I respect. There we're plenty of railers going nuts on the side adding anguish to his agony of being knocked out of the final table.
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12-04-2008, 3:02 PM
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A bit different but yeasterday in the 3.30 re-buy at pokerstars I had AA two times in a row. They german geezer next me was not happy lol.
  #33  
12-04-2008, 3:09 PM
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I've seen AA vs AA *in person at a live game* at least three times. And one of those times I had AA and lost to a flush. Pot was about $120. It sucked BIG TIME.
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12-04-2008, 3:46 PM
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3%? 3% anyone? Do I hear a 3%? Who'll give me 3%? Going once...
Lol.. what do I get if i'll give you 3%?
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12-04-2008, 5:57 PM
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have seen aa vs aa and lose to a flush,tuff beat there
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