AA early/ late in tournament

I'm sure that this has come up before but, being new here, I haven't seen it.
Here's the situation: You're late in a tournament and 3 people all in in front of you. You hold AA. What do you do? What would you do if it were the WSOP main event and 1 person all in in front of you?

What I'm looking for is not only what you would do, but also why.

How late? If it were final table I'd fold. Why? Because chances are 2 people are going to the rail and the jump in money would totally overwhelm anything I could gain from winning 1 pot.

What are the stack sizes? Am I the overwhelming big stack / short stack? Will I be eliminated if I lose? Has the bubble already burst? What's the payout structure? Is the money important to me? How do I stack up skill-wise to the remaining players?

Basically what I am saying is that there are times to fold Aces but you really need to look at all the circumstances.

update: I assumed stack sizes were fairly even in my answer for final table play.

LOL, you have the preflop nuts, you shouldn't even think for a second about folding. Even against a couple good hands, say KK 77 and AJ, you are over 50% to quadruple up. The only time I would fold AA preflop is if I were on the bubble of a satellite where, for example, 1st - 50th qualify and I'm on the bubble.

QQ or KK is different. Ace-x (a very likely hand that at least one of your opponents holds) has a decent chance of pairing its ace to beat you, but with AA you don't have to worry about that.

I didn't put stack sizes in the ? because I wanted the various answers. By late, I did mean that you were already in the money. someone had asked me this before and in both situations I said I would fold except very late (final table), I had all others covered, and losing wouldn't put me as extreme short stack.

Frankly with three other players allin in front of you this is a crap shoot. It would be very easy to sucked out on. If this would not cipple me then I would certainy make the call.

[quote=Bentheman87;681794]LOL, you have the preflop nuts, you shouldn't even think for a second about folding. Even against a couple good hands, say KK 77 and AJ, you are over 50% to quadruple up. The only time I would fold AA preflop is if I were on the bubble of a satellite where, for example, 1st - 50th qualify and I'm on the bubble.

So you're willing to put your tournement life on the line with a pair?

I agree.. I have sat back and let others fight it out with crappy hands and thin in out

ok genius WSOP 2,500 buy in final table 8 left 3 all-ins before you, relatively even stacks to yours you hold AA.

You have around a 75% chance to quadruple up and maybe win the whole thing.

You have a 25% to go home in 8th with $29,000 give or take.

You have close to a 100% chance of guaranteed $78,000 6th place if you fold cause chances are 2 are going to the rail on this hand, and still have a chance to maybe win the whole thing.

I don't know about you but I'm folding them bullets here dude.

Peace

$1 buy in in the money 19 left, i got enough chips to carry me to the final table anouther large stack goes all in i called w/ AA he made 2 pr and won idiot had KQ i was sick , so for my own health i say fold. but would i ??hope to find out soon! lol

[quote=aquadad;681821]You cant win it if your not in it

but you more than likely going to be in it if you fold. and probably move up 1 or 2 payouts without even playing a hand. How can you argue with that?

If you quadruple up, you not only quadruple up. You also send three other players home for a guaranteed 5th place and a huge shot at taking down the entire tournament.

I instacall in this spot. As somebody else mentioned, the bubble of a satellite is the only exception I can think of.

I would fold vs 3 all ins late because i would prefer my chances of playing 6 handed with a decent chip stack than end up leaving it to the gods of whether i stay in tourny or not

WSOP, final table, certainly 6 maybe 7 digit prize. I know their are some good arguments here about what to do, but, I'm pushing here regardless of what the conditions around me are.
If playing a WSOP tournament where "winner takes all" Then a little more consideration of conditions would go into it. May never see them again for the rest of the game if I fold here. At least I come out with guns a blazing, instead of hoping to catch flops etc. later on.

Did anyone here ever see a player either pro, or novice, at a WSOP final table fold AA preflop???

NO ONE FOLDS AA PREFLOP!!! EVER And if you claim you have I claim you are bluffing

I actually did fold AA pf once, no bluff! It was in a SnG where there were 4 people left, and only 3 get paid. I held pocket aces and had re-raised, when every other player either went all in or called the all ins behind them. I thought about it, and folded AA for the only time in my life. Well I made the right move because 2 of those 3 people got eliminated and I got to go heads up for a much larger cash prize instead of risking elimination on the bubble!

Eh...Uh, even without knowing the stacksizes I call everytime. Even without using icm calculator I'm pretty sure this is a -ev play. How can anyone seriously fold there?

satellites imo

This was basically my reason for the play, though if I were actually at the final table in the WSOP (we can all dream, can't we?) I would probably be more likely to also go all in just because you enter the WSOP to WIN not to come in 6th or whatever!

I was on the bubble in my case and I wanted to garuntee that I got my money back at least, which is defintely positive EV, but perhaps calling would be a bit higher positive EV?

in a situation where there are 6 or more all ins i would prefer to have mid suited conenctors than the rockets, since the aces will probably need to hit a set against 6 players to win, which is agaisnt the odds. Where as mid suited connectors offer a wider range to win a multi way pot.

Someone run the OP in a calculator to see the odds of aces winning against 3 randoms

update:
Another point in favor of a muck here provided we are talking final table with pretty much even stacks all-in is I'd much rather be all-in heads up with AA than against 3. More in the hand more chance of those AA's getting cracked. Guarantee double your take home pay if you fold or .....gamble if you call. If I was the big stack or had them all covered insta-call.

we already had this thread ~7 times before and the consensus was that the only case when you should be folding AA preflop in a WSOP-type situation is one where the guarantee of a little extra money would either be HUGELY life-changing (utility theory) or where even 5xing up (or however many players) still wouldn't guarantee you a decent chance of winning (such as: you have 30k chips and 5 players each with 1 million chips go all in)

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Originally Posted by aquadad I'm sure that this has come up before but, being new here, I haven't seen it. Here's the situation: You're late in a tournament and 3 people all in in front of you. You hold AA. What do you do? What would you do if it were the WSOP main event and 1 person all in in front of you? What I'm looking for is not only what you would do, but also why.

Opening post actually has two questions here? I responded to the WSOP one. Yet, if it was the WSOP final table and 3 all-ins in front of me, I would still call.

I had a hand just like this last week. I called , and was up against 1010 JJ KK. J on the flop :/, and that was it.

Here are 150 more posts on this already done for those that want to review the topic: Folding AA preflop

I asked this question because it was asked of many pros at the WSOP 2 yrs ago. Everyone of them said that they would fold against players that they thought they could outplay later on. And would ony consider calling all in if they thought it was their only chance to beat a few of the better players.

the ? was asked of them in early stages of the tournament. I added the late part out of curiosity.

i'm thinking, if these are loose players that will keep calling all in, better to take your chances w this hand.

Yes, this has been an article before (`folding AA` I think)

It is also in one of Dan Harringtons books - he says folding would possible be a decent move.

However, we need a lot more info. Chip sizes, payouts, etc.

If all the stacks were even, then I would go allin. You can`t fold AA when u know u r fav at this time. Also, if all of the stacks were even then 3 of the 4 would go out (unless there is an unlikely split pot) Then u would be joint 2nd (I think???)

If I was way behind I would fold. This is probably the best chance you have of moving up the money.

This is an outstanding post!!!

thanx all, and thanx Ronaldadio! I'm new here and I'm not sure how to even search for a thread yet though. I did use the link to yours and found alot more people willing to fold than I see here.

100% chance I would call. Really, folding would have to be the pussy move unless you are so far in debt and if you fold the money is life changing.

I play poker to win, I take my chances here....