8th place!!

#1 8th April 2008, 1:46 AM

I hit a new mile stone yesterday when I entered PS’s nightly $3.00 buyin with a 30K guaranteed prize pool. I finished 8th place out of a field of 3,688 and won $650.00 which obviously provided a nice boost to my bank roll. Everything (mostly) went right for me; my big pairs continuously held up and I played very well with only a few mistakes, and, of course, I also got lucky once or twice such as when I sucked out a set of tens on the river, and I won a lot of small pots that I normally wouldn’t have won because I think I have been playing too passive up till now. I reread Doyle Brunson’s Super system II’s section on NLHE and took his advice of very aggressive play. I still maintained my usual style of playing only the top 20-25 starting hands, changing only my betting style in order to put more pressure on those still in the hand. It seemed to make the difference because I usually get eliminated either just before or just after the money, because my chip stack is too small by then. I was really starting to get frustrated especially when I here/read about those who seem to always make it deep into tournaments. Now I finally have made the final table during a big tournment I want to be there alot more.

What I would like to know is; does an aggressive betting style really make that much of a difference or did I just have a good night? As I said I still played fairly tight, I just picked up the aggression. Also where do you cross the line from being a good aggressive player to just being a reckless player who wins occasionally? I would appreciate any comments.

By the way I was knocked out of the tournament when I paired both of my hole cards and then lost to a straight. I pushed the player all in on the flop and his straight hit on the river .

#2 8th April 2008, 1:55 AM

I am really a beginner at the strategy of Poker but it sounds to me like you are finding the way to play Tight/Aggressive, something I think we could all learn.

TAG is what we all need to learn right? At least learn when and how to use it.

BTW, Congrats! Great job.

#3 8th April 2008, 2:00 AM

Congrats on your score first off!

The line for aggro/wreckless is a really fine line imo. I'm sure others will say differently, but it tends to be a fine one for me. Pretty much, play posistion. When you have cards in good posistion, dont hesitate to make a play on them. Make sure your betting is in good relation with the pot and your stack size. Dont bluff out of posistion, or even in posistion unless you have good reads on your opponent. Congrats on the score again, hope this post helps you out a little bit!

#4 8th April 2008, 2:01 AM

Congrats on 8th place! But more important congrats on learning more and improving your game. You noticed what didn't work before and what worked for you in this tournament. Keep it up and you'll continue to see your bankroll increase. Just don't make the mistake that some do when they win a nice sum of money - They blow it in higher stakes and higher buy-ins too fast.

#5 8th April 2008, 2:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Panamajoe

I am really a beginner at the strategy of Poker but it sounds to me like you are finding the way to play Tight/Aggressive, something I think we could all learn.

TAG is what we all need to learn right? At least learn when and how to use it.

BTW, Congrats! Great job.

Thanks

If you haven't read Doyle's book he encourages very aggressive betting. He encourages this betting even with very marginal if not junk hands, just because most people will fold. I have watched him on television and I have never seen him play that loose like he describes in his book, but he does bets aggressively.

It is not easy deciding when to big bet. I found myself hesitating because betting half or 3/4 or even my entire stack on a pair is a little intimidating especially when you want to get deep into the tourney.

#6 8th April 2008, 2:15 AM

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#7 8th April 2008, 2:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Inscore77

Congrats on your score first off!

The line for aggro/wreckless is a really fine line imo. I'm sure others will say differently, but it tends to be a fine one for me. Pretty much, play posistion. When you have cards in good posistion, dont hesitate to make a play on them. Make sure your betting is in good relation with the pot and your stack size. Dont bluff out of posistion, or even in posistion unless you have good reads on your opponent. Congrats on the score again, hope this post helps you out a little bit!

I guess that is where the experience come in. I know that if I see three of a suit on the board I should be carefull (most likely fold). But deciding if they have the flush or just a draw or even a bluff that is where, to me the difficulty lies, play concervitive and fold and wait for a better place, or reraise even though I only have a big pair and no flush draw. If you fold you give up those chips, but you continue on to play another day. Picking the correct time is defenitly the hard part.

#8 8th April 2008, 3:16 AM

While Supersystems is a great book, his strategy you are referring to is not a good strategy to have in online poker. The reason for it working is two-fold, one he picks up a lot of pots because people know you are willing to go all in and play off their game, and two because people wont put you on a hand if you show down a couple all ins with only a gut shot as your chance. This does not work online because people dont pay enough attention and because people play so loose and reckless.

#9 8th April 2008, 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Paw_kit Aces

I guess that is where the experience come in. I know that if I see three of a suit on the board I should be carefull (most likely fold). But deciding if they have the flush or just a draw or even a bluff that is where, to me the difficulty lies, play concervitive and fold and wait for a better place, or reraise even though I only have a big pair and no flush draw. If you fold you give up those chips, but you continue on to play another day. Picking the correct time is defenitly the hard part.

In this situation you just have to be able to read your opponent, and be able to make a wise decision as to weather he has the flush or not

#10 8th April 2008, 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by widowmaker89

While Supersystems is a great book, his strategy you are referring to is not a good strategy to have in online poker. The reason for it working is two-fold, one he picks up a lot of pots because people know you are willing to go all in and play off their game, and two because people wont put you on a hand if you show down a couple all ins with only a gut shot as your chance. This does not work online because people dont pay enough attention and because people play so loose and reckless.

If it doesn't work online it is not because people don't pay attention, because they do. I would say it has more to do with the number of people who call with just about any hand, either because they don't know what they are doing, they are trying to establish an immiage, they're trying to double up early or they just want to show you they can't be or won't be bluffed off their hand. Eventually most of the bad players are gone and the most of the players will fold there junk or marginal hands.

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