72 Off Suit

#1 11th October 2008, 3:28 AM

Am I missing something here? 72 off suit is widely regarded as the worst starting hand in Hold Em, or that's what I thought or was lead to believe.

I was bored and playing around with PokerStove, and was putting in some random hands. I put in 72 off suit vs a random hand, and then 23 off suit vs a random hand, and 72 had a higher win percentage.

So am I missing something here? I always thought 72 vs a random hand was worse than 23 because of straight possibilities?

#2 11th October 2008, 3:40 AM

The likely hood of getting a straight is slim.. plus, they share a card together, with the 7 being the higher kicker.

Yes, the 7/2 off suit is still (strategically) the worst hand in poker.

#3 11th October 2008, 8:06 AM

Actually, if you play some of the freerolls on full tilt, you would know that AA is statistically the worst hand(sarcasm)... Lets see here..........7/2 off suit...............ALL IN!!!

#4 11th October 2008, 7:42 PM

7 2 off, is the worst starting hand because, you have the lowest high card that on the flop you can not make a straight or flush. In all other hands you can, on the flop make either a flush or straight, or you have a card higher than 7

#5 11th October 2008, 10:34 PM

Its strategically the worst hand but you have to think about the number of players on each table. The percentages are different if you are playing heads up, six max, nine max, or ten max.

#6 11th October 2008, 10:47 PM

Sure, 72o sucks, but when I get 72s, UTG, I'm all in! Guaranteed to beat rockets.

#7 13th October 2008, 3:13 PM

In the muck ...every time. If you can play it and make something out of it, great. That doesn't happen all that often. In the long run you lose.

I have seen a few TV shows that the players have a side bet if you win with that hand. Looked like a lot of fun, but I didn't see anybody collect.

#8 13th October 2008, 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavinski

I was bored and playing around with PokerStove, and was putting in some random hands. I put in 72 off suit vs a random hand, and then 23 off suit vs a random hand, and 72 had a higher win percentage.

So am I missing something here? I always thought 72 vs a random hand was worse than 23 because of straight possibilities?

23os is the worse hand H2H. 72os is a favourite against 62,52,42,32,63 etc etc etc.

Multiway though, 72os is the worst starting hand.

#9 14th October 2008, 11:05 AM

I think they are talking about a full table just checking it to the river every hand. So over the course of millions of hands 2 3 would hit more straights. Heads up 7 high is better than 3 high, this I'm sure of.

#10 14th October 2008, 1:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exit141RTe1

In the muck ...every time. If you can play it and make something out of it, great. That doesn't happen all that often. In the long run you lose.

I have seen a few TV shows that the players have a side bet if you win with that hand. Looked like a lot of fun, but I didn't see anybody collect.

You havent seen the one where Hellmuth bluffs Matusow with 7 2.

Matuso is holding KK..

Superbly funny.

edit here it is YouTube - Phil Hellmuth with 7-2 bluffs Mike Matusow's Kings

#11 14th October 2008, 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcumred

You havent seen the one where Hellmuth bluffs Matusow with 7 2.

Matuso is holding KK..

Superbly funny.

edit here it is YouTube - Phil Hellmuth with 7-2 bluffs Mike Matusow's Kings

But here there is a side bet, online there is just chip movement

#12 18th October 2008, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcumred

You havent seen the one where Hellmuth bluffs Matusow with 7 2.

Matuso is holding KK..

Superbly funny.

edit here it is YouTube - Phil Hellmuth with 7-2 bluffs Mike Matusow's Kings

Just watched it. Very very good. Still can't beleive the Mouth folds.

#13 20th October 2008, 2:58 PM

I love playing 7/2 whenever possible, because if I hit the board just right with it, it will let me rake in a pretty big pot .

#14 21st October 2008, 8:16 PM

7 2 is great tv. I love it! It creates lots of action, but people loose lot of money with it cause they play 7 2 like they have AA
But when I play at home, my friends don't want to play the 7 2 Maybe that's a good thing cause 'd suck at it (bluffing ain't always that easy)

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