12 tables at once

#1 21st January 2010, 1:08 AM

Hey, I haven't played much online since the new 2009-2010 school year. I am a elementary school teacher so I have all summer to play poker or do whatever.
So I'm in a SnG last night and I decided to look at the number of tbls the other players are playing. I looked at four different players. One player was playing 4 tables, two players were playing 6 tables and one guy was playing 12 tables. These are FT SnG's w/ a 2.25 buy-in.
I play 2 to 3 max. I don't remember seeing that many players playing multi tables last summer. How do you play 12 at once? Six seems like a lot too. I don't see how any software could help you manage that many tbls?

In the back of my mind I am considering playing 5-6 hrs a day this summer to supplement my income. Is this feasible?

#2 21st January 2010, 1:26 AM

I dont think you can concentrate effective on more than 4 tables and even on 4 you wont do as well as you would if you took them one or two at a time. At least thats the case with me but i dont use any poker programs... i think thats cheating and should be banned

#3 21st January 2010, 1:59 AM

you might to be able to play that many tables you would just half to hook your comp. up to a BIG screan TV

#4 21st January 2010, 2:17 AM

If you're not used Multi-tabling, I would suggest you dont jump into it. You play 3 tables right? How do you as far as ROI after say 100 games? If it's pretty low, I would say either drop down to 2 tables or stick with 3. If its a good ROI or better, maybe add on another table, play another 100 SNGs or so and then recheck your ROI. If you've maintained or improved, you can possibly even move up. Or if its similar to a low 3 table ROI, maybe move back down. Try to find a comfortable medium were you're not risking profit just to get more tables in. Since you're trying to supplement income, your goal should be play maximum number of tables for maximum profit and not just to play a high number of tables.

#5 21st January 2010, 3:55 AM

What those people are doing isn't poker, its a job, they use software and HUD's to enable them to be able to make quick enough decisions that 12-24 tabling is not THAT uncommon.

I think its lame to be honest, how fun could it really be, I play 4 at a time, no software.

#6 21st January 2010, 7:55 AM

Some ring vids of MMT:

24 table stacked
http://www.cardschat.com/f53/24-tabl...0nl-fr-129461/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/24-table-stacking-zachvac-50nl-fr-129461/)

24 table tiled (with overlap)
http://www.cardschat.com/f53/i-tile-...0nl-fr-147383/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/i-tile-24-tables-100nl-fr-147383/)

20 table 2 stacks
http://www.cardschat.com/f53/multi-table-vid-126197/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/multi-table-vid-126197/)

Fwiw, it's easier to multi table SnGs due to less post flop play and optimal play being much more robotic. I stack 27 tables right now and there are degenerates that stack 50+. I think stack is the way to go with 12+ tables. It certainly takes getting used to and is something that you need to ease into (add one table, see what it's like, add another if you're comfortable, etc, etc)

#7 21st January 2010, 9:39 AM

i max out on 8. anymore than that and i lose focus

#8 21st January 2010, 12:00 PM

3 are my max,, misclick occur when more then that

#9 21st January 2010, 12:08 PM

I dont like playing more than 2 tables at a time myself. There is no possible way playing 4 or more + tables you can concentrate on each table and try and get a read off of players at your table because you are to busy jumping back and forth from table to table.

#10 21st January 2010, 2:28 PM

The most I've managed to play at once is 6 tables all SnGs... it was a mess, I think I only cashed in one of them. Managed to fold pocket aces pre flop as well because the tables kept popping over one another which was annoying as hell. Now I usually keep it between 2 and 4 tables.

#11 21st January 2010, 5:15 PM

Ive found that stacking the tables really helps and there is a nice piece of software called table ninja that organises it all for you. saw my tables increase from 4 and can now manage 20 quite comfortably tried 30 last night but was a bit much.

#12 21st January 2010, 6:45 PM

I can generally multitable 6 fine, and 8 at a stretch.
I hope I will be able to increase in time though.
It would be cool to be able to do about 30 like Hevad Kahn but I'm not sure thats realistic for me.
I still have a bit of trouble keeping up with sit n gos when I am down to 2 or 3 players on several tables.

#13 21st January 2010, 7:00 PM

Some people just have really good computers that are compatible with playing 12 tables at once , it is good for some people to have this many tables going however for people who like to take time making decisions online it is not a good method. It can be very profitable for some people but can be very complicated for beginners to get used to
adsthepro

#14 21st January 2010, 9:23 PM

Umm... Poker Tracker 3 and Hold Em Manager, best investment you could have and NEED to be competitive playing online now.

#15 21st January 2010, 10:29 PM

they dont play junk cause they are bored most of them r break even or better

#16 21st January 2010, 11:00 PM

haha sounds like a whole lotta confusion going on at once

#17 22nd January 2010, 12:42 AM

Great replies. I do need to look at ROI over 100 SnG's. Good suggestion.

The problem I had with poker tracker was I had a hard time figuring it out. I would love to sit with someone who is savy w/ a program and learn the ropes. For me, I can't just install the software and take off running.

What gets me is having 3 or 4 tbls go to the final 3 at once. It throws off my timing. Thanks for all of the great ideas.

#18 22nd January 2010, 12:53 AM

Best of luck this summer, you should really consider limiting your self to no more that 4 tables. I can concentrate alright on 2 tables but start struggling when I have 3 or more, so only play with the amount of tables you feel comfortable with.

#19 22nd January 2010, 12:54 AM

hello, I agree with most of you all after 3 , you lose concentration..and make misclicks calling and folding on the wrong tables...smiling.. the less the better you can get a read on other players. Depends on how much buy -in I paid if I will play other tables at the same time...good luck at the tables...Tina

#20 22nd January 2010, 12:57 AM

Well first off my internet connection is so unstable sometimes it can barely handle one table. But when I can play multiple tables I feel like I am just wildly clicking trying to keep play going. Very prone to clicking mistakes. Besides I like to just concentrate on one table so I know exactly whats going on. When I play multiple tables I feel like I am just playing my cards and not thinking about anyone else at the table and what they are doing. Playing twelve tables at once is pretty amazing but if he can do it and he likes it whatever. And as far as playing 5-6 hours a day. I wouldn't do it. My limit would be 2-3 hours a day at the most-but thats just my personal limit.

#21 22nd January 2010, 1:29 AM

some people play 50+tables at once

#22 28th January 2010, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huck45

Great replies. I do need to look at ROI over 100 SnG's. Good suggestion.

The problem I had with poker tracker was I had a hard time figuring it out. I would love to sit with someone who is savy w/ a program and learn the ropes. For me, I can't just install the software and take off running.

What gets me is having 3 or 4 tbls go to the final 3 at once. It throws off my timing. Thanks for all of the great ideas.

There are videos online that give all kinds of info. re: PT3 & HEM.

#23 28th January 2010, 10:38 PM

All software that aids poker players should be banned while playing. All dissemination of poker player stats to other players should also be banned / outlawed. Good ol pen and paper should be the only way stats are kept while you play. Play 2-3 tables at most and you will see a difference in your game.

#24 28th January 2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AAChipMagnet

All software that aids poker players should be banned while playing. All dissemination of poker player stats to other players should also be banned / outlawed. Good ol pen and paper should be the only way stats are kept while you play. Play 2-3 tables at most and you will see a difference in your game.

I can see this thread potentially heading in a crap direction.... sigh...(hopefully not!)

#25 28th January 2010, 10:58 PM

Ive been playing 16 tables at once in $5NL. Its really different but can easily be done. I was playing 4 tables a week ago.

As far as saying "all software is cheating" Your fooling yourself. And your BR will suffer for it.

#26 28th January 2010, 11:35 PM

24 tabling is insane. Kudos to all you guys who can hang, WOW

#27 29th January 2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AAChipMagnet

All software that aids poker players should be banned while playing

I guess we're banning all online poker sites then, because Full Tilt software aids me in my ability to play whenever I want.

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All dissemination of poker player stats to other players should also be banned / outlawed.

Sharing Hand Histories? This is already against the rules.

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Good ol pen and paper should be the only way stats are kept while you play. Play 2-3 tables at most and you will see a difference in your game.

Yeah not really your BB/100 goes down so you make less profit.

HEM and PT3 have a minor cost associated with them. Have you even tried to use the trial versions of them?

Do you have long term memory or short term memory? (Serious Question)
I myself have short term memory and to do the things you suggest with "pen and paper" would not work, I'm not going to go write down some shitty notes like "BluffKing69 3 bet with 27o, he also 3 bet with AA" I'm sorry you feel that way about HEM and PT3.

But seriously, at least try it out if you haven't yet.

I always say you can't say something sucks unless you have tried it.

#28 29th January 2010, 12:21 AM

I only play SNGs and an occassional MTT. Since I'm usually playing while I watch TV and have a wife and kids (9 year old twin girls), I only play one table at a time. I really do need to pay some attention to my wife and help my children with their homework.

For those who do multi-table SNGs, what advantage do you see in playing say five $2+$0.25 tables instead of just one $10+$1? It would cost you an extra $0.25 in fees and the ability to focus on just one game at a time.

I'm a mathematician and know all about the law of large numbers, expected value, variance, standard deviation and dispersion of data. It just seems to me that a good poker player with the ability to read his opponents and adapt to situational play would have a better expected return on an evening of 4 $10 SNGs than he would for 20 $2 SNGs, even if you don't count the extra buck saved in fees.

#29 29th January 2010, 1:13 AM

I can multi-table 4 - 9 games playin cash FR. But when I play more than 1 table of a MTT I start to loose my concerntration as MTT's need alot of concertration/patience to do well in them with the increasing blinds/stealing/bettin patterns IMO. So I just stick to one and still cant win a MTT LMAO.

#30 29th January 2010, 10:55 PM

I've done four, I dont care to do more, once blinds get up 2-3 tables are harder to keep up shorthanded even if you have a HUD, poker is situational, you have to pay attention no matter what the statistics are telling you. I have no clue how anyone could play more than 8, kudos to you wurly...

#31 30th January 2010, 12:23 AM

Wow, any more than 4 is too much for me. I have to know every detail to play effectively. I cant keep up with that much info going around at the same time.

#32 30th January 2010, 2:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckingriches

I only play SNGs and an occassional MTT. Since I'm usually playing while I watch TV and have a wife and kids (9 year old twin girls), I only play one table at a time. I really do need to pay some attention to my wife and help my children with their homework.

For those who do multi-table SNGs, what advantage do you see in playing say five $2+$0.25 tables instead of just one $10+$1? It would cost you an extra $0.25 in fees and the ability to focus on just one game at a time.

I'm a mathematician and know all about the law of large numbers, expected value, variance, standard deviation and dispersion of data. It just seems to me that a good poker player with the ability to read his opponents and adapt to situational play would have a better expected return on an evening of 4 $10 SNGs than he would for 20 $2 SNGs, even if you don't count the extra buck saved in fees.

I'm not quite sure, but I'm pretty sure that the advantage comes from variance to your br. If you can play somewhere near your full potential on many tables, you will not be playing out of your br to play multiple tables. Because even if you only played one at a time, you are still subject to variance. This means if i have only $50, and play 20 $2 SNG you are closer to following good br management than to play 4 $10 SNG.

Anyone who knows more can add on, but thats what i have gotten out of it.

#33 30th January 2010, 2:44 AM

I just recently saw a vid of a guy playing 16 on FTP, and 16 on Stars on a laptop.
interesting series:

YouTube- How to make a living playing online poker (1 of 6)

#34 2nd February 2010, 1:11 PM

That vid is nuts. Good info though regarding what you're up against, their goals, etc...

#35 4th February 2010, 1:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckingriches

I only play SNGs and an occassional MTT. Since I'm usually playing while I watch TV and have a wife and kids (9 year old twin girls), I only play one table at a time. I really do need to pay some attention to my wife and help my children with their homework.

For those who do multi-table SNGs, what advantage do you see in playing say five $2+$0.25 tables instead of just one $10+$1? It would cost you an extra $0.25 in fees and the ability to focus on just one game at a time.

I'm a mathematician and know all about the law of large numbers, expected value, variance, standard deviation and dispersion of data. It just seems to me that a good poker player with the ability to read his opponents and adapt to situational play would have a better expected return on an evening of 4 $10 SNGs than he would for 20 $2 SNGs, even if you don't count the extra buck saved in fees.

More tables don't require a deeper bankroll.

Higher buy ins do.

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