1/2 NL Live.. Folded queens, the whole table says that was stupid.. Why?

I would like some peoples opinion on this..

Holding QQ, I recall about 2 people limping in for $2, it gets to me and I raise to $6, the next guy after me raises to $12, the last guy raises to $32.

I've seen and played with those two for awhile and I had NO DOUBT in my mind that they both had pocket pair, kings and aces.. So I fold.

Even the dealer says.. what?? Who folded pocket queens?

When the flop comes, its rainbow with a Q in their, both guys go all in obviously.. but I KNEW I was beat preflop, so was that a good lay down or not?? Maybe my table is full of stupids or I'm the stupid one? I was chip leader with almost $400, $100 max buy in.

Thanks for the help in advance.

PS: Oh also, the guy who raised to $32 had kings, the guy with aces won.

Nope, it was definitely the right move.

It was the right move you know how your 2 oponents plays and you put them on bigger pairs can't call that when you know you're behind, those other players are idiots you made a great read and better laydown.

im confused as to why ppl know your whole cards? does the dealer always shout out the "mucked" cards to the entire table?

Without any reads, a call with queens would be acceptable. The Q hitting the flop isn't important here, what is important is that you made a awesome lay-down because you had reads on your opponents holding the 2 next best hands to yours.

Very good fold. With Queens it's hard, but you can let them go in a situation like this. This really sucks for the guys with the Kings. At a cash game, I wouldn't fold those. One mis-read of someone having aces can cost you a big opportunity.

If you have history w them and know there's absolutely no way that they make those raises without KK+, or even if only the raiser to $32 doesn't do that without KK+, then yes it's a good laydown - unless they were also deepstacked (sounds like they're not), in which case seeing the flop might've been a good choice.

It was said after both players went all in, I was telling people I had queens and he was questioning it.

Yes, as everyone else said, with the three-bet and four-bet after you and your reads on the players, queens straight into the muck is the only sensible play. Well done.

Gr8 fold man!Lol seems like the dealer wanted you to play those

you gotta iso the limpers way bigger. as played I suppose a fold is fine there, although who knows with live poker. if they're super nitty and u had a read tho then I guess its fine.

lol@dealers making comments. just ignore them, they're prob terrible players anyway

Unless the stacks were such that you had odds for a set, then very good fold.

Saying you know the players well and having them raise and re-raise your initial raise i would say QQ fold is great there! Just imagine if you would've limped in? Then you could of busted em both out! Oh well still a GREATfold

Definitely raise bigger, I'd raise to $25 minimum with QQ after limpers. There are definitely situations where you get it in pre with QQ but you had a good read and made a good laydown.

I think you made the right move. I've folded Aces when this type of betting is going on as if I put $32 with my luck, they would have trip 2's of sorts and beat my QQ. One of the two lost money, but you only lost $2.

holy fail batman

Awesome laydown! I don't think I would have been so disciplined. I think, even knowing their tendencies, I would have called the raise, if only to see the flop. Would cost more however, huge upside.

I definately would never consider your move to be the move of an idiot. Good Laydown.

I was playing at a table and was dealt JJ so i push all inand the guy has QQ then within 3 hands I was dealt QQ and push what was left of my original stack and the guy has KK.
Still i would never fold pocket QQ or JJ preflop

Im a gambler.

I wouldnt have folded.

I have seen some crazier plays on 1/2.

your whole table is stupid, 6 out of the 7 times you would of missed the queen and lost even more money by calling the pre flop raise.

The people at your table are idiots.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I feel better now.

With the way people were betting/calling at this time, any preflop raises like that would only get callers with cards such as.. AA .. KK .. (thats pretty much it lol) which isn't what I want..

Pretty much the whole table folded by the time it got to me, that is very unsual for 1/2 NL live. Most of the time you get 5-7 in preflop.

Only time queens shouldnt be folded in this spot imo:

1. Crazy degen gamblers.
2. You only get 3 betted and not 4.

1. Gamblers gamble, meaning them 3 and 4 betting doesnt mean a big pocket pair.

2. If someone just 3 betted you even if you suspected that they really have a higher pocket pair, for 6 dollars more it is worth it to set mine and see a flop, if they had the same stack as you at 1/2 live you would have probably been able to get it in on the flop with them putting you on AQ or something.

Any other reasons not to fold?

What part of I knew I was beat and I been playing with them don't you understand? Everyone else here seems to understand.

I'm not there to gamble.

You made a great read, the vast majority said as much, don't worry about the minority with a different view. Majority rules! LOL!

I want to play at a table with the gambler.lol. a table full of em and fill my pockets. for a poker player to say he is a gambler just tells me he's 1 weak as hell 2 doesn't want to make money 3 def doesn't have a grasp on the game he's gambling at.lol

what's with the gay rhyme bro? im gonna put you in the same category as the "gambler"lol

Huh?

Whoa I'm not saying that you should have called, I'm talking about other situations where folding queens wouldnt be a good idea even when you might be beat... reread plz.

I just had the same situation online Tuesday I was under the gun with QQ I have 18k blinds are 200/400 I raise to 1600 UTG mid position reraises allin for 13k then another reraise allin to 25k folds around to me I figure one of them have to have AA or KK so I fold they flip over and the first guy has AA the other has KK, great fold for me..............until flop is Q 2 2 LOL oh well its poker.

raise reraise after limping makes this an easy fold calling was the wrong choice and in the long run would be unproffittable to find the answer ask yourself if you knew thier cards what would be the right choice flop does not matter. something funny about $6 raise dont get that?

Its live poker, so many different variables and things change constantly. With the way the table was playing at the time, a $6 raise was high, I only had 2 people after me and only 2 people limping. (which is very odd, usually at this casino you get 6+ limpers/callers)

Any higher and you usually get everyone folding (for the time being anyway).

Your post confused me a bit, I actually did re-read. Sorry.

i think what salim is trying to say is, that in the hand posted above, in that spot, queens shld always fold. even if the 2 villians had the stacks for u to try and setmine, knowing that u're beat, the $12 raiser is not going to flat call the extra $20, not with u in the hand as well. he's going to raise 100%, and aces prob reraise again, which is why tryin to setmine in that spot is 100% -ev.

however, if it were headsup, for example, stacks are very deep, $800 each in a 1/2 game. if u raise to $6 pf and get repopped by villian to $12, reraising here will tell u where u are at, perhaps to $38. if he can come over the top again, making it $100 to go, even if u know he has KK or AA, u should almost always call here. both of u have $700 behind, u're definitely getting the right implied odds to try and hit your set.

hope that makes sense.

np i reread it too and I wasnt super clear.

I would fold QQ here if I knew the two players who raised were tight or had specific reads here. Otherwise I'm shoving here. 1-2 NL live is one of the loosest games you will ever find. Standard raise here is generally 12 to 15 Dollars. Your small raise might have implied weakness normally.

Either way don't worry about what people think of your poker game and play the way you can win with. Also the dealer should have never spoke about your hand. If the dealer really was a good player he would be playing somewhere and not working there.

i played there didnt like it