You need a better hand to call than raise

#1 6th April 2009, 1:05 PM

I've always hear that you always need a better hand to call with than raise with, and I'm sure this is true (for the most part at least). What if the raiser is ahead of you though? How much does your better position weigh into the consideration to call, or even 3-bet? How much advantage do you have just by having the option of acting after the raiser?

#2 7th April 2009, 7:41 AM

Depends how deep you play.

#3 7th April 2009, 8:25 AM

i just read this in one of sklanski's books the other day. and he said this is especially true late in a tourney or on the bubble. as i understood it was you would be free to loosen your opening range as only very strong hands will call. this is all part of his whole gap concept. you would need a hand better than what you would need to open with in the openers spot.

#4 7th April 2009, 9:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cardplayer52

i just read this in one of sklanski's books the other day. and he said this is only true late in a tourney or on the bubble. as i understood it was you would be free to loosen your opening range as only very strong hands will call. this is all part of his whole gap concept. you would need a hand better than what you would need to open with in the openers spot.

FYP.

this concept is only valid when stacks are not deep at all or maybe when you play limit poker.

On deep stack NL, implied odds rule and the gap concept is entirely worthless.

#5 7th April 2009, 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

FYP.

this concept is only valid when stacks are not deep at all or maybe when you play limit poker.

On deep stack NL, implied odds rule and the gap concept is entirely worthless.

Not entirely worthless, but yes I agree, the deeper the stacks, the less this rule holds true.

#6 7th April 2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

FYP.

this concept is only valid when stacks are not deep at all or maybe when you play limit poker.

On deep stack NL, implied odds rule and the gap concept is entirely worthless.

I thought that the gap concept applied in NLH to hands which were likely to play for a small pot after the flop, like 99 AJ etc

However hands that might play for stacks, i.e. 56s (if it hits) the gap principle did not apply in NLH

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