Would you hold them or fold them?

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  #1
22nd March 2006, 2:15 PM
WizofDTM
 
Online Poker at: Absolute Pok
Game: holdem
Would you hold them or fold them?

Playing 9 player sit and go for seat in $100K Qualifier 1500 starting chips
3 of 9 go all in on bend over $5000 in pot.
There are 3 spades on the board and nothing to chalenge a flush.

You have the Ace of Spade in your hand.
Do you go all in?

I did and the spade did not come!
What were my odds of getting it? Can anyone tell me?
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  #2
22nd March 2006, 2:21 PM
colin_147
 
Poker at: Ladbrokes
Nowhere near enough information to answer this post

You need to tell us the preflop moves, the cards that came on the board and what positions the players made their moves in order to give any kind of response.

As Tenbob pointed out a few weeks back, the number of outs you had may well have been limited if you are facing boat draws etc
  #3
22nd March 2006, 4:19 PM
WizofDTM
 
Online Poker at: Absolute Pok
Game: holdem
I'm seeking a rule of thumb

I thought 9 players at table
with 4 cards on board three of them in one suit
and me holding the Ace of that suit would give me some kind of odds
(you can guess i am not a math major) on getting the flush hand.

Next time it happens i can say oh, my odds are ___ against getting
my flush - but I'm going for it anyway - this is poker isn't it?

Anyway, I'm not looking for a complex answer - just a rule of thumb.
What would the Pros do.
  #4
22nd March 2006, 5:11 PM
colin_147
 
Poker at: Ladbrokes
Quote:
Originally Posted by WizofDTM
I thought 9 players at table
with 4 cards on board three of them in one suit
and me holding the Ace of that suit would give me some kind of odds
(you can guess i am not a math major) on getting the flush hand.

Next time it happens i can say oh, my odds are ___ against getting
my flush - but I'm going for it anyway - this is poker isn't it?

Anyway, I'm not looking for a complex answer - just a rule of thumb.
What would the Pros do.
Ok, assuming there are 3 spades on board and the nut flush gives you a stone cold nuts (this is of course assuming that none of the spades gives your opponent a straight flush or a full house) you have 9 outs after the flop technically (very unlikely, but technically) making you a 36% chance of winning the pot with the nut flush. If the turn is a blank, you have a 20% of making your hand on the river. I am not counting your A as a live out with possible top pair, although you could count this if you felt it was good enough

What would the pro's do? I dont know. What would I do? Again I am not sure, my decision would vary depending on whether I wanted to put my tourney on a coinflip, with the odds against me making my hand
  #5
22nd March 2006, 6:17 PM
WizofDTM
 
Online Poker at: Absolute Pok
Game: holdem
Your analysis is what I needed

the key for me is...
> tourney on a coinflip, with the odds against me making my hand

I'll think about that next time.

Thanks
  #6
22nd March 2006, 6:48 PM
juiceeQ
 
Poker at: Poker Stars
Game: NL Holdem
re: Would you hold them or fold them? poker

I think you should have folded. With three players all-in before you, chances are very high that at least one of them already has the flush (albeit, not the nut flush) thus taking some of your outs away. Plus, at least one of the other two could be holding, say K♠ and hoping to spike the flush like you, taking another out from you. No offense, but I think this was a bad call.

I don't like going all-in on a draw, with only one card to come at that. Just my opinion.
  #7
22nd March 2006, 10:15 PM
andybee
 
Online Poker at: Absolute Poker
Game: holdem
are you feeling lucky........

put it into an odds calc....... if its not going to cripple you i would call its a 50/50 to get a spade out of the next 2 cards.......

put it into this one.......

www.cardschat.com/poker-odds-calculator.php


Hope this helps.......

Andy Bee
 

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