would you agree to a chop at FT if you were chip leader

if you were down to five people on the final table of the sunday million and you were chip leader , say you had 37 million and the next highest was 15 million then 13 , 8 and seven million .

would you offer a chop or agree to one ? 2% has to be left over for the winner after any chop .

hallucinogens jay?

While I can't say I've been anywhere near the final table of one of these tournaments...

...I thought a chip deal was more common, where the prize pool was divided up based on each player's stack size? So you wouldn't be taking an equal chop as such.

As for whether I'd take a deal, I guess it's like all other poker questions - it depends

decision would probably be based on opponents' skill level

If it was a chip based chop, yes I'd take the deal for sure. Even if there was some deal made I'd probably do it. Thats a LOT of money difference to lose from one bad beat or a bad run of cards.

I've only been in this position once myself. It got down to heads up at a local charity MTT with first place being $500, and second being $100 and we were fairly close in chips. I offered the guy a chop for 50/50 which I thought was a no brainer and he declined. In retrospect, that was probably a -ev move for me since I crushed him heads up. At these big MTT's online though the level of competition would have to be worlds better than the poor schmuck I was playing.

Excuse me for my flip remark last night Jay.

Final table Sunday Millions. You've been playing this tourney for at least 8 hours to get this far. So have your opponents! Everyone is stressed. At the same time everyone is juiced on adrenaline, and you still have to leave 2% on the table for an actual winner to be declared.

For anyone reading this thread, today, it is an imaginary scenario that none of us can really relate to. At $215 buy in, few of us will have toyed with this event, even with a sat to this, the buy in is steep, so not many of us will have experience at this level. So let me alter this a bit, by suggesting we have built up our bankrolls to the point where this event is not such a humongous life event, but rather we might be able to approach it as if it were a 2 or 3 step jump from our normal game. i.e. we normally play $5 tourneys and this is a $25 or $50 tourney. Certainly within the realm of our imagination.

Even 5th place at the final table would pay handsomely, beating out any known records for any of us (currently joosebucklol at about $11k). Incidentally, in that event joose made a deal and I seem to remember he gained from the deal, meaning chip leader lost some value.

Bottom line is that I'll tell you what I did later this year..........

I'm sorry, but I couldn't imagine a chop...just like dj11 said, hours into a tourney AND SO ARE YOUR OPPONENTS...use that to your advantage. At a local "home" game we play twice a month, it shocks me how often the final 2-3 will ask for a chop and get it. Its always the short stack, too. It makes me sick--I say play your hand the same way which got you to this point and take ther results as they come. You can't win everytime. Just like in every other game, there is SUPPOSED to be a winner & loser. Tying sucks...

I final tabled the sunday mil once but they took my winnings and redistributed them coz i was too sexy. AJKHoosier, mr.menlo, dariominieri pearljammer and me made it 5way, I figured I was way +EV against them so didn't take the chop even when they offered me 100% of the prize pool.

np DJ , I live for them sir



yes it was kinda dumb question cause it's so far over our heads but what I was wondering was if people where the chip leader would they think no way I'll chop I got them now . chop for the chip leader can be +ev since it is according to chip count right then and anything can happen later .

heres what I got.
this is the deal they figured out but the short stack was holding out on them , trying to get one thousand from each person before he would except.
shortstack holdin out.gif (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9414&d=1205521046)


then the big sack finally offered to give 3000 from his stack to the shortstack
offer.gif (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9415&d=1205521046)

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last hand sunday million.gif (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9417&d=1205521046)

the winner was second shortstack at time of chop and recieved $72,000 plus the 30,000 set aside for total of $102,000.

$63,000 less than chip leader at chop. who went out 4th .

We always chop the purse at my weekly home game. This is because ppl are waiting for the next game and noone has anything to prove. Thier are no uneven chops, and anyone who refuses to chop usually get brow beat into submission. This is the result of a home game that has been running weekly for several years. 2 of our players are professionals and there are rarely any weak players involved. In the rare event that weak, new, or non-regular players make it to the end, the chop is typically still worked out.

We also tailor our payouts to propegate the chop system...

I would have to say it would depend on how I was feeling at the moment. Those are some very long tourneys and if I was tired I might make a deal. I prefer heads up play so I don't know if I would take the deal or not. It all depends on how much $$ is involved.

I usually prefer not to, but if the tournament has been going on a long time and blinds or a bad beat mean you might lose money it can be worth doing.

I did a chop on sunday. Blinds had got up to 10,000/20,000 and the three of us all had stacks of about 135,000. Prizes were £330/£160/£115. I offered a split of £200 each and they both accepted. Wish I hadn't now, once they agreed I looked at the cards I'd been dealt and I had AK

I was at a final table at the local casino and the chip leader offered to chop with everybody getting an equal share. For some reason the two short stacks declined. It got down to the last four players and those two same players offered a chop. The chip leader was still fuming over their declining his chop offer and said flat out, "not until the two of you are gone". Just as soon as they were eliminated he offered to split the prize fund with me, which I accepted because he had me by about 3 to 1 in chips. He was a very generous guy, but those two guy's were still mad at him several weeks later.