Is it worth considering that the villain has the same hand?

I have always figured this isn't worth worrying about as you don't lose/win any money, and you can never be so sure to attempt a bluff at them. but is this a small leak? thanks for advice..

I wish more people did think about this...sometimes its painfully obvious when you and your opponent both have a king for example and it makes a gutshot. But he insists in shoving it all on the next steet...I guess some people like paying big rake in split pots.

Every time this happens to me, I'm always surprised, but I shouldn't be. It should always be considered.

What I don't understand is the guy that shoves on the river when the nuts is on the board. Like I'm asleep and going to fold? But paying the extra rake pisses me off.

You should never be putting your opponents on a specific hand, only a range of hands. If your holdings happen to fall into that range then so be it as it won't really effect combo distributions for the range.

I was watching my friend play 5NL for fun, and a guy shipped an A,K,Q,J,10 rainbow board. The sick part is he called 2 streets with 6, 3. THEN HE MADE THE NUTS!!!!!!!!! I laughed for a good while. Friend was pissed.

I don't think it's a huge mistake, but it should be considered; all in all it depends. Reasons I'm assuming it's not a huge mistake...

A) It's not likely.

B) In regular circumstances adding the same hand as your own into villian's range shouldn't make up a large amount of the total hand combinations for villian. Therefore, it shouldn't usually sway your action from one decision to the other in some completely obvious way.

In a game time situation you're facing a raise from a person playing 3/2 over 2 million hands. If you have KK it's probably okay to include your own hand in his range since he plays so few hands.

Of course when analyzing a hand after playing you should use a program like PokerStove which will help a lot with thinking in ranges and how much difference placing your own hand in his range would effect your decision.

One time the board was an AKQJ10 with no flush possibility, a clear split. This bastard shoves his entire stack (about 10 times the pot). Basically if you called him, you might end up paying more rake than your split of the pot if you call. Maybe that was his strategy.

see its those situations that annoy me...its lose lose for both players so why do it? lol You both lose about 7bb in rake

i suppose it could be handy to know, saving a bit of rake. But to put someone exactly on the same hand would not be wise, as it is unlikely. Probably not worth worrying about too much.

this happened to me about 3 times in my session last night!! so annoying. we both hit our straight and got it all in or our TPTK....same hand...and i ended up losing almost 3 bucks cuz of rake

Well, say the pot is $1, and you shove a rainbow broadwaystraight river board for 100 bucks, the other guy has two options, he can call and lose $5 for rake, just like you or he can fold and lose only $.50 and you win $.90. If I had enough money I would def call just to piss off the other guy but it's an unexploitable situation!

I dunno guys, I've seen people go all in when the board is say KKKJJ and get the opp to fold, they then show say just an ace.

It seems in some situations you can get your opp, that has the same hand, to fold. If you did know you and your opp have the same hand, your shove is a very low risk (just that you lose some to the rake) to a very high reward (opp folds)

And I have also seen people fold to a 10 J k Q A board with no flush possibility. I couldn't understand it and I typed "why?" but no answer...

agree with jillyche 100% here. But, if you are almost certain your opponent is playing the exact same hand as you, use it to your advantage especially in marginal situations where you are getting a ton of fold equity....he more than likely isn't thinking the same as you.

I had a situation yesterday where the board had 4 cards to a straight (4567) with no flush possibility. I had an 8.

The 5 hits on the river. I lead out, and villain raises. I was close to raising, but thought he had an 8 too so I didn't wanna play that bump up the rake game, so I just called. (We stood to lose money due to the fact that it was a hands up hand, so a split plus rake = net loss) He had a set of 5s... how do ya raise when it's pretty clear I made a straight?

I gave the guy too much credit. My fault.