Worst Starting Hand by $ Lost

This is a discussion on Worst Starting Hand by $ Lost within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Just wondering what everyone's worst starting hand is when looking at database results. My biggest loser is KTo. Guess I go too far with this ...
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  #1
25th April 2009, 8:40 PM
RogueRivered
 
Poker at: PokerStars
Game: NL Hold'em
Worst Starting Hand by $ Lost

Just wondering what everyone's worst starting hand is when looking at database results. My biggest loser is KTo. Guess I go too far with this weakish hand. ATo isn't much better.
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  #2
25th April 2009, 9:13 PM
-Phil Ivey27
 
Online Poker at: full tilt
Game: hold em'
I personally muck K10 and A10 in most situations.

I'm not sure how I would look back and see what hands have been my biggest loser, can you tell me more about this database? I'm sure it will help my game greatly knowing which hands are holding me down.
  #3
25th April 2009, 9:20 PM
PokerVic
 
Poker at: PokerStars
Game: Holdem
Mine is JTs, which is hardly surprising. I don't remember ever hitting a straight with JT at the ring games. I really have to examine how I play this hand.
  #4
25th April 2009, 9:29 PM
sindri_93
 
Game: NL
re: Worst Starting Hand by $ Lost poker

22.
But if i take out the three biggest pots where im clearly running bad(22vsAJ all-in on a 2AJ7 board A river, 22vsFD all-in on flop and FD hit turn and 22vs55 both floped sets. All pots with 180BB+ effective) its A9s.
  #5
25th April 2009, 9:38 PM
RogueRivered
 
Poker at: PokerStars
Game: NL Hold'em
Quote:
Originally Posted by -Phil Ivey27
I'm not sure how I would look back and see what hands have been my biggest loser, can you tell me more about this database? I'm sure it will help my game greatly knowing which hands are holding me down.
I use Holdem Manager to track results and for the HUD. I've got about 50K hands in it now.
  #6
25th April 2009, 10:03 PM
D'wilius
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: 8-game
over 22k total hands I'm down 1 buyin with 78s, dealt 61 times. Really the only hand I've lost more than the ones I've folded 200x like 92. Whole bunch of those are ~1/2 buyin down. There are a few other suited connectors that are in the same group even though only been dealt ~65x. Related note, top four winners AA,KK,QQ,JJ.
  #7
25th April 2009, 10:57 PM
Cilderr
 
KK i guess. 60-70% of the time if i shove preflop and get called i'm against AA(cash games ofc). Very often get outflopped and then, given the situation, I either fold or go bust-o.
  #8
25th April 2009, 11:12 PM
sindri_93
 
Game: NL
re: Worst Starting Hand by $ Lost poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilderr
KK i guess. 60-70% of the time if i shove preflop and get called i'm against AA(cash games ofc). Very often get outflopped and then, given the situation, I either fold or go bust-o.
He wasnt asking for guesses but rather actual data.
Try downloading PT3 or HEM trial version, i can promise u KK is not your bottom hand(unless you completly spew with it and only stack A-high flops and have a sample of 20hands)
  #9
26th April 2009, 1:57 AM
cool32steve
 
Poker at: PokerStars
Game: Holdem
AQo is my worst hand followed by 88. My best hand is AA followed by KK. 70k plus hands in PT..
  #10
26th April 2009, 4:20 AM
aesopdurasic
 
Online Poker at: wit fishy
Game: Holdem,PLO,
I have 22k hands in HEM. Worst hand is AKo losing $81.15. My second worst hand is 98s losing $29.36. My best hand is JJ winning $60.99. Second best is 33 winning $57.85 followed by QQ,AA,KK.
  #11
26th April 2009, 9:35 AM
RogueRivered
 
Poker at: PokerStars
Game: NL Hold'em
Quote:
Originally Posted by aesopdurasic
I have 22k hands in HEM. Worst hand is AKo losing $81.15. My second worst hand is 98s losing $29.36. My best hand is JJ winning $60.99. Second best is 33 winning $57.85 followed by QQ,AA,KK.
Your AKo is surprising -- it is one of my best hands. How do you play it? I'm at 97.4 VPIP, 85 PFR, and 36 3Bet.

I think that's why my ATo and KTo are so bad -- I'm not aggressive enough -- much lower PFR and 3-betting. 3-betting has got to be one of my biggest weaknesses. I have a hard time forcing myself to do it, even with strong hands.

Interesting results from everyone else. I'm surprised about AQo and 88. These do fine for me. Agreed that a lot of the losers are just a buy-in or less since they are almost always folded. I guess it boils down to opponents and betting tendencies. I wonder if the best players out there have winners with every hand? I have a few surprising winners such as 64o due to small sample size of hands actually played.

Last edited by RogueRivered : 26th April 2009 at 9:48 AM.
  #12
26th April 2009, 5:05 PM
silverslugger33
 
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Game: HORSE
re: Worst Starting Hand by $ Lost poker

For me it's A9. It looks kind of pretty when you get it, but man is it a killer. I usually like to fold weak aces, and I'm beginning to classify A9 as a weak ace at this point, so I just much it. Honestly, I'd rather be dealt 45 suited.
 



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