Why you lose with AA.

#36 31-08-2005, 3:09 PM

As I lost the 200 quid on that one hand with aces, I can quite 100% perfectly say i have lost a LOT more with aces than i've won.. and thats pushing hard with them....

Its just damn stressful! In tournament play it can double ur stack but mean nothing if u get knocked out.. and one hand in a cash game it can take u for 200 quid! grerr

#37 31-08-2005, 3:19 PM

I'm not so sure what you mean by quid...Maybe I'm an idiot or it's just too early in the morning. Is it a currency? And are you talking about ring games?

I would suggest NEVER going all-in in a ring game preflop. Even someone raises you all-in and you have AA, it'd be hard to call. Anything can happen on the flop, and if your opponent hits it's tough luck for you if you're all-in. However, if you simply raised 5x or so and the flop came down with some like KK7, you might be able to tell if your opponent hit and then throw it away.

Tournaments are ok for the reraise or call all-in when you have AA because if you do happen to lose, all your losing is your measley little buy-in. If you want to win you're going to have to try and win a big pot everytime you grab AA. This usually works out for the better I think, because even if you lose you don't lose much, and in the long run it'll be more of a winning strategy. Why? If you make it to the final table or even close, a lot of times you're going to be multiplying the money you made by a lot. It's worth taking risks to get there.

Once again though, I would NEVER advise going all-in preflop in a ring game with ANYTHING. (When you've bought in the full amount)

Jon

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnlightenUp

Thats only halfway true.

Why people lose with aces is because they get married to them easily. If you are an excellent player, you can make money by slowplaying aces and allowing multiple opponents into a pot. But a player of lesser skill level will find it very difficult to make money with aces if there are more than one opponent(s) against him in the pot when he has aces, because he will be unable to fold them when an excellent player will realize he's beat.

until you are able to make big laydowns, raise with the aces every time.

Wish I would've seen this post earlier. You make a GREAT point. I know that when I started, I'd go to the river every time with AA. As a beginning poker player, most people will not have the willpower or discipline needed to lay down their aces, even when they know they're beat. With a hand like that, a beginning player wants to KNOW he's beat before he lays it down, which often ends up in him never laying it down. Curiosity: It's human nature.

EnlightenUp has made another very valid point. Don't get married to your aces. Don't be afraid to lay them down when you decide to enter a pot with 1 or 2 other people instead of instigating a race.

Thanks EnlightenUp.

Jon

#38 31-08-2005, 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonSherwood

I'm not so sure what you mean by quid...Maybe I'm an idiot or it's just too early in the morning. Is it a currency? And are you talking about ring games?

I would suggest NEVER going all-in in a ring game preflop. Even someone raises you all-in and you have AA, it'd be hard to call. Anything can happen on the flop, and if your opponent hits it's tough luck for you if you're all-in. However, if you simply raised 5x or so and the flop came down with some like KK7, you might be able to tell if your opponent hit and then throw it away.

Tournaments are ok for the reraise or call all-in when you have AA because if you do happen to lose, all your losing is your measley little buy-in. If you want to win you're going to have to try and win a big pot everytime you grab AA. This usually works out for the better I think, because even if you lose you don't lose much, and in the long run it'll be more of a winning strategy. Why? If you make it to the final table or even close, a lot of times you're going to be multiplying the money you made by a lot. It's worth taking risks to get there.

Once again though, I would NEVER advise going all-in preflop in a ring game with ANYTHING. (When you've bought in the full amount)

Jon

Wish I would've seen this post earlier. You make a GREAT point. I know that when I started, I'd go to the river every time with AA. As a beginning poker player, most people will not have the willpower or discipline needed to lay down their aces, even when they know they're beat. With a hand like that, a beginning player wants to KNOW he's beat before he lays it down, which often ends up in him never laying it down. Curiosity: It's human nature.

EnlightenUp has made another very valid point. Don't get married to your aces. Don't be afraid to lay them down when you decide to enter a pot with 1 or 2 other people instead of instigating a race.

Thanks EnlightenUp.

Jon

Quid meaning Great British Pound.

I.e the 200 i lost was approx $400.

It was pot limit. I raised pot (small), someone re raised pot... I re raised pot (and all in) over the top and was called with KQ :/

What was i meant to do? Call and see KK7.. would have been same situation!

#39 02-09-2005, 2:28 AM

When your in early position is goood to slow play them, avoid given them free cards.
Its all depend on how you play your pokcet Aces.. I think
With the loose call table should not slow play and make them pay to see the flop because more likely your gonna have a maniac in your table.... amen

Hope this help !!!!

#40 02-09-2005, 3:04 AM

yeah i hate AA, I bet big preflop and try to survive the hand - because way too many things beat you and your mind is clouded by the aces....I get what i can and get out because usually if that makes it to the river, i'm losing anything anyway

#41 02-09-2005, 4:01 PM

I wholeheartedly agree with agressive play when holding pocket aces.

When i started out playing, two many times have i been stung with this hand.

Thinking to myself "wow best hand possible before the flop, better keep quite with this, draw them in" . Boy did i get stung badly.

Absolutely agressive but not over the top...

#42 06-09-2005, 3:50 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t4510)
MP1 (t4570)
MP2 (t1050)
MP3 (t4445)
CO (t5000)
Button (t2445)
Hero (t1300)
BB (t4302)
UTG (t1655)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ac, As.
UTG calls t50, 3 folds, MP3 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero raises to t200, BB raises to t4302, UTG calls t1605 (All-In), MP3 folds, Hero calls t1100 (All-In).

Flop: (t7307) Kd, 3d, Qh (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t7307) 8s (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t7307) Ts (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t7307

Results below:
Hero has Ac As (one pair, aces).
BB has 9s 9c (one pair, nines).
UTG has Th Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins t4660.

Just venting.

#43 13-09-2005, 8:37 PM

JonShewood so glad you put this on here! Wasn't for sure if I should check or limp in and take all I can ,and get beat with 2 pair or play aggresive you settled that one. Thanks for the good advise!

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