Why you lose with AA.

I've been telling people this for a while in all their posts where they complain, but it seems to me no one seems to listen and there still continues to be a new post everyday about how aces never win.

Well they do.

I get a daily newsletter and today it was talking about what you can do to win with aces most of the time. (Nothing is every certain in poker, don't expect to win every time.)

I felt I'd enlighten you all with a little tidbit of the article.

Roy Rounder is what he goes by, and his articles have helped my game tremendously. When I saw this I knew I had to post it instead of constantly telling people the exact same thing.

Jon

I agree very good info but when I am aggressive I don't win a big pot

I totally agree with playing aces strong. I used to slow play them by just calling the big blind if only one or two people were in hoping someone would raise then i could go all in, but I have gotten burned alot by doing this so now I push in my chips when I get the best hand in poker

Stop whining.


Bad idea slowplaying aces. Very few circumstances where you should slowplay them and very few people on this site would ever get to the point where they would need it.

Don't go all-in all the time when you get AA, this is almost as bad as slowplaying. You are losing yourself a lot of money in the long run...

I think getting pocket aces also (like everything else) depends on your position. Obvuiously the best position to get them is the button.
The way I play them and have had a relative amount of succes (in NL tables) is that if I get them late I go all in or raise very hard. If its the middle, I just call or raise minimal. There is almost always someone reraising so you get a good feel for what the other players may have on your table. Good Post . Thanks!!

You should always play AA slow.
Never fast.

I'm glad you've got the right concept, position is a huge deciding factor on how you should play your aces. Another deciding factor is if your playing a ring game or a tourney. On the subject of position, however, I'll contribute my way of playing, and I'll let you all know right now that my aces losing are a very rare thing. Why? Because I play them well. (You're wrong by the way, Jackus.)

Note: Strictly for online purpose. Live games are a whole 'nother taco.


First through third position: This is personally my least favorite time to get them. I'll usually raise 4 or 5 times the big blind here. If I get more than three callers I'll be making a huge bet post flop (some circumstances require otherwise). Why? Because you need to try and be heads up. If some reraises me preflop it's a definite all-in.


Middle position: If 2 or more people have already called the big blind or made a raise, I'm all-in. Otherwise, you want to make another big preflop raise.

Late position: All-in. Always. It's been my experience that someone will almost always call, and you'll almost always win.

By the way guys, when I'm saying all-in, I am NOT talking about in ring games. Never put all of your stack in preflop in a ring game. That's not smart. Plus you'll get no callers.

Also. I have played my aces many different ways since I started playing poker. It's just semi-recently I started playing this way (a few months) and I've finally entered the time when I've started making a great steady income with poker. Tight aggressive is how you need to be. It'll make you the most money. Also, these strategies work at their best in rebuy tournaments where people love to just give away there chips. They work well in others too. There's always someone willing to call. Don't try this if you're playing a $100 NL tourney. :P I'm sure you won't get as far with this. I've never played one that high, but I can't imagine people being as dumb as they are in a $20 buy-in tournament.

Want to know something funny? I got AA while writing this post, hahaha. it surprised me because I haven't been getting the best of cards. I flipped back to my poker screen to see it and about jumped when I saw my time meter about to run out. :P I'm playing in a $1/$2 room and I made $60 from them. Not too bad.

Aces are lethal when you know how to play them! So learn!


Jon

This is by far the absolute worst strategy in playing AA. Playing AA slow gives more opponents a shot at seeing a flop, which as JonSherwood originally posted decreases AA's chances of winning. The more opponents you let in, the lower your winrate with AA is. Thus, by raising with AA you trim down the field, which instantly increases your odds of winning the hand.

I have found that going all in with AA is a bad think but 4-5 time the bild bet usally gets out the ones that you dont want in on the pot.

I go with the pros on this one. Although nothing is 100%. AA should be played hard. All in is not playing AA hard. 4-5x the BB is playing them hard.

All in is to many times an invite for several people who want to get lucky to call you.

And since you have less of an advantage when there are multiple people calling your AA you are taking a big risk.

4-5x the Big Blinds shows you mean business. If you still get called by 3 people is was likely you they were going to do that to your all in. At least with the Big bet as opposed to an all in you have a chance to get away from the hand. All in leaves you no outs.

The worse thing about getting AA is when you're BB, ready to go and ...... Fold, fold, fold ,fold, fold ,fold, fold, fold, fold and fold! And you know next hand is going to be a monster pot won by a pair of 4's.

I think it might also be important where you play. That's how I used to play them at other sites, but I now play at Royal Vegas Poker. If I raise 4-5x the big blind at RVP, anyone who already merely called the big blind calls that raise, and some after the raise too. In order to win with them at RVP you need to be VERY aggressive, a lot of times all-in aggressive. I usually only get 1 caller, and the occasional two, unless you're playing in a rebuy. You might get 3 which is bad, so in rebuys you really need to pay attention to how your table plays and whether or not an all-in will shake some opponents. Some players in a rebuy will call an all-in whenever they're put all-in. It's tricky.

4-5x the blind is how I always play them in ring games. You'll never see me going all-in preflop in a ring game. That's not very efficient when you're trying to win a pot.

How I play them might not work for everybody too. There are a lot of factors I consider when I have Aces, and it's hard to put them into words, you know? My experiences with poker have shown me how to play them. Everybody should work out their own strategy that works for them.

Jon

I lose alot with rockets, thats why when I get them I never slow playem. I raise alot and hope they hold up. Especially when I'm short stack.

Jon,

I concur that an all in preflop strategy is valid at times to push out those who don't think anything of calling a 4-5x the BB bet. However, there are those that see an all in as an invite to get lucky and take a chance. Been down that road one to many times.

That leaves you with no out in case the hand doesn't go your way.

I still use the all in play. But, I just tend to be more selective when I do.

i agree with the people that are saying to play AA aggressively, and just want to add a side note to that.

when you hit your set of aces on the flop, this is still not a good time to slowplay. why? because of the hands people will call you with preflop. people will usually call with KQ, AQ, AJ, and when you see that Ace come up on the flop, most of these guys will have 3 cards to a straight, and very likely 4. if you hit your set and also pair the board for a boat, then slow play all day. otherwise, you still need to bet aggressively and be conscious of any straight draws.

Yeah but nothing better then going all in with Aces and a moron with 89 (off) calls and hits 2 eights on the flop.

do you understand this?

taken from OnlyPlayers
"I find to go allin with AA is worthless.
you have only 2 outs, win or lose!! (I know about the tie, just leave apart)

With AA I dont miss the oportunity to get money from my oponents buy just play it betting little by little, and have found it pays more, much more.

If go allin if there is 1 caller you need luck to win, nothing else, a few times there are 2 callers and you have a big possibility to lose. If there are 3 or more callers that table is in the moon.

I you just bet little by little there will be several callers and you can stop it without lossing all if you se the hand is not good. I you win it you will get the money of all of them, then a good amount"

ya i always say that, AA is good, but against lots of ppl its nothing, 2 cards for a person beats AA right away

I know that AA is the best hand preflop, but the only way that it seems to work for me is to pressure it hard and make 'em fold. I know this method doesn't earn much of a chip stack, but it is a victory never the less. You have to decide if you'd rather risk taking a bad beat with the best preflop hand or win a small stack right off the bat.

that was great information, because i use to wonder that question also, and started catching on right what you said, about being more aggressive and not letting people get there flushes and trips....by over betting just enough to mayber get 1 or 2 callers...ty very much for the poka info...

I hate it when a dead horse is beaten. I understand the reason for the post (people bitching about losing with A-A) but this isn't a new idea. Its been posted here as many times as the dumbass "My Aces got Cracked" thread. Bottom line, slowplay and suffer the consquences.

I've never seen one before. I figured I'd try and be of help or knock some sense into people. Stop being an asshole to the people who are trying to help out.

Jon

I was talking about other posts tackling the issue of why people's aces are always getting cracked. You quoted me when I was talking about the posts saying, "My aces were cracked."

Nick's even told me it'd be smart to compile some of this info and make an article of it.

Jon

No doubt man...I hate those threads as much as you do trust me. But the ones responding to them get just as old IMO. No particular offense to you man. It just seems like lately were losing some good members to one of two things either they're sick of the same regurgitated crap all the time or they are sick of never being able to bring something worthwhile away from here on a day to day basis.

It sucks, but that's what's happening it seems. Anyway, like I said, I inadvertantly seemed abrasive to you but it was basically a blanket statement that ended up in your thread.

On a related note, mine just got busted.... Didn't want to chance it. Rose 1200 of my 4k, got reraised all in by the chip leader, he turned KK and hit a set. Oh well. Pissed me off needless to say, but that's poker for you.

True. i always feel so bad when there's an all-in AA against KK and the AA wins. I mean...2 outs...Haha. But i guess the whole 'outs' thing DOES mean that they CAN beat you.

Sorry Diablo, no hard feelings.

Jon

NP

I was in a micro NL Hold Em room at Noble this morning. Got pocket rockets and raised 4x the BB. Got reraised by someone (which chased everyone else out), so I went all in. Tada ... doubled up

Didn't do much else since I had poor cards and not much time, but I did see some extremely poor playing. One person won $128 on one hand, which I thought was pretty high for a .25/.50 game ...

All the tears...your aces got cracked. 60K hands tell me I win with them 80% of the time (give take .5%). The absolutely most profitable hand in Texas Hold'em poker.

Doyle said "slow play aces - go to hell"

Yes they will get cracked...learn from it...play the player not the cards...putting your opponent on cards (what his hand is) is the key.

Poker is gambling (duh)

Raking a pot is raking a pot, big small or just the blinds

Have you ever folded AA - to me that is the true test - are you able to get out when you know your aces are beat.

You may have a different % win rate with your aces then myself. Your style will dictate a varience.

Thats only halfway true.

Why people lose with aces is because they get married to them easily. If you are an excellent player, you can make money by slowplaying aces and allowing multiple opponents into a pot. But a player of lesser skill level will find it very difficult to make money with aces if there are more than one opponent(s) against him in the pot when he has aces, because he will be unable to fold them when an excellent player will realize he's beat.

until you are able to make big laydowns, raise with the aces every time.

in online poker never slow play the AA,that i have learned and if someone raises big preflop just throw the AA hand or any other hand if u are short of money.lots of drawing sets on low pairs

Exactly Enlighten

Know when to make the big laydown. I call it semi/tilt...some call it marrying your cards....it is all the same....preflop strength does not mean post flop success...just an advantage

Your perceived strength (opponents) will either aid or weaken your Aces. PLay like a telemarketer and you will get treated like one. You hopefully play to take advantage of weak players and their poor decision making. Having the advantage does not always mean taking the pot. It does mean that over time you will be more sucessfull. A higher success rate equals more bb per hour profit.

It seems for me that i`m loosing in the few days with AA.This pair it`s kncking me out every time i see it.If i don`t go all in before the flop i lose the hand.But when i go all in before the flop the other guy is making flush or str8
The best pair for me is KK

I disagree...

I am always aggressive with pocket pairs including aces, but let me give last night as an example of why this doesnt apply.

In a pot limit game, I got raised the pot. I re raised all in for 200 Quid... on this one hand with AA. I got called with KQ off suit.

The flop? KK7.

200 quid gone in one hand when i had AA pre flop, he had KQ, and I pushed all in.

Was nearly sick

A wise man once said..."you gotta know when to hold em,know when to fold em,know when to walk away,know when to run...etc.
Basically AA can be beaten,even by complete crap(8/2off anyone)but it shouldn't be beaten often.Maximise the times you win and don't be afraid to throw them away after a lousy flop.
can we stop these AA threads on the grounds of boredom?