When do you fold the bottom straight?

I mean you have 78ss and after calling a raise the board comes down 9TJr. Other guy bets, you call. Turn bricks, he bets, you raise and he in turn shoves.

I mean yeah he could have a random set, two pair or even top pair or the higher straight draw so its tough to fold a flopped straight but still my gut often tells me when im beat in these spots. But I just cant auto-put him on the higher straight.

Would you guys fold in this spot?

It was a micro stakes hands and we were both 100BB deep. No real read on villain.

Whats the deal when you sense your beaten but your in a very tough just-cant-fold-that type situation?

Thanks

that is always a tough posistion and i have faced it and called only to see him have a higher astrt...your right it is always too hard to fold strt in any posustion..they could be bluffing or like you said bettin on 2 pr..i wouldn't fold i would call and just be mad at myself for making it lol...

Bottom straights can be a bit uncomfortable, but more often than not, with only 3 cards to the straight on board, he won't have the top straight. He may be drawing to it, though.

I'll rarely fold bottom straight in this specific situation. Now if the 4th straight card hits, the board pairs, or I have a really strong read that tells me otherwise, that's another story. Yes, you'll lose a small percentage of the time but the vast majority of the time you'll stack off a set or 2p. Without running the numbers I have to believe it's +EV to call his shove here.

I allways fold it...ALLWAYS!

This thing usually happens to me on Carbon or full tilt....it's frustrating

Always? Come on, it's not that bad. I play confident unless a lot of players stay in for the flop/turn/river...where ever the straight shows. And of course watch out for flush possibilities and heavy raises and check/raises.

Per poker stove, putting villain on a range of 88+ and AJ+ and KJ+ suited and off suit my bottom straight has an EV of 68% and a winning percentage of 67%.

At the micro stakes, barring any sophisticated plays and player reads I have to believe its an auto shove every time here.

If I have the bottom, I always fold unless the bet is too small to not fold

You're probably throwing away a lot of money, too.

Don't fold.

There are a ton of draws that he could have as well as pairs, two pair or the occasional set, and you're behind only KQ or the very random Q8. The pot is also offering you pretty decent odds by now, which you don't even need.

Edit: And yes, I'm guessing you lost the hand. It'd still be a terrible fold.

If i hold 2 to the straight such as 78 on a 9TJ board i do not fold it. If the 8, or Q comes, then I can let it go but rarely foldwhen i hold 2 cards of the straight

I think the chances of him having 8Q or KQ is pretty low. It's hard to tell if you should in real life. Online without a kind of personality or read to think about, you'll never come up with enough evidence to fold.

If it is the bottom straight I would always consider folding.
Take time to consider the previous action, think what cards other players are likely to hold.
2 cards to the bottom straight is tempting, but QK is a common hand that people play, because it looks pretty.

Even if you do call and win you're only going to be called a donkey for having called his preflop raise and cracking his pocket Aces.

Low suited connectors are not easy to play. Even when the flush hits you have to be wary of a higher flush, suited ace rag or the pretty suited pictures.

The easy answer is when playing subprime holdings don't go broke unless it is such a subprime flop as to practically give you the nuts. eg 569ss

To elaborate on "don't fold", which is the only valid answer here.

If he does this with KQ/Q8 that beat us and AQ and sets it's an insta-call even if we were somehow getting even money on the call. Villain's range is much, much weaker than KQ/Q8/AQ/99-JJ.
However despite the OP not telling us the size of the bets, we can be certain that we're getting very good odds.

Folding in these spots is an enormous mistake.

I know everyone wants to be able to "make a good fold" but it's outright wrong to fold a near-nut hand against someone with a wide range and/or when the stack to pot ratio is low, in this case we have both of those factors indicating that we cannot fold.

Everyone who has said they're going to fold, re-evaluate how timid you're playing. There are times to fold big hands but this hand has absolutely nothing in common with those situations.

^^^ I don't think they're listening to us, kid.

u shouldn be folding bottom straight only if there are 4 cards on the flop that make a straight or 4 cards to a flush, example board is 789T2 no flush and you have a 6 and your opponent shows strenght than you should fold, board is 789 and he wants to go with it and i have 56 i instant call, at times he might have me beat but odds are i am going to make a good call in the long run, he might have anything from tptk to 2 pairs to a draw..

also keep in mind i am only talking micro stakes, heck if he doesn't bet too much i might just call with the bottom straight on a 4 card to a straight board. if there are 4 cards to a flush and i have no piece of it i just fold to a bet.

i think it's better to make a bad call every now and then rather than just giving credit to people for a higher straight, that's called scared money.

it's microstakes, at this level you just can't fold a set or a lower straight just because they show strenght, unless of course it is very obvious, like 4 cards to a bigger straight, 4 cards to a flush and you have like a 5 high flush or no flush, or 3 of a kind on the board and you just have a flush, these should be folded, other than that don't give people too much credit, i've seen tight players at 5nl or 10nl that all of a sudden feel lucky with 99 and they play it like it's AA, just because they suck out once does not make them a good player.