What's your "Position Percentage?"

Here's a fun little exercise you can do. Good players play more pots in position than bad players. Knowing this, lets find out how many pots we play in position. Here's how:

If you have poker tracking software like Hold'em Manager, this makes it really easy. Pick whatever stakes/game you play most, and click on the "Filter --> Edit" button.

Go to the "More Filters" tab on the far right, and add the "Saw Flop = True" filter. Save & close. Write down that number of hands. For me, in a session of $2NL I played last night, that number is 55 hands.

Now, go back into the filter page and add the "Last to Act on Flop = True" filter. Its just below the saw flop filter. Save & close. Write down that number of hands, which for me is 29.

So take the second number, and divide by the first: 29/55 = 52.7%

If you don't have tracking software, you'll have to add it up the old fashioned way. It takes about ten minutes. I did this exercise for a session of 2-7TD I played, and I got 8/24 or 33%. However, 2-7TD is a pretty passive game, so I saw 5 flops for free from the BB. You get 42% on the hands I vpip'd.

Thus, in that session of 6-max NLHE, I played ~53% of my hands in position. Another good stat to couple this with is preflop positional awareness, mine's 2.06 for those 180 hands I played last night. What are your numbers?

I like the exercise. I'll do mine after work and I'll post the correct filters for PT3 if no one else has done so before then.

42% on hands in position over the last ~40k hands

erm I like the exercise, or at least the idea but I cannot quite grasp the concept this eve and as I use PT3, following your directions isn't makng it any clearer!

But...

I play 6-max 19/18 with a steal of 34 over the last 4k hands since I have been puttng more effort in to building a decent pre-flop strategy.

Positional...

B 32.3/30.9
1 25.9/25.6
2 16.1/16.1
3 12.2/12.2
BB 14.3/10.3
SB 11.5/ 9.3

I have become aware that I may be either a little too loose from the CO or tight from the button so I have trimmed the former a little and added a few suited 2 and 3 gappers plus connectors down to to 87o for blind steals versus Mr Average at my stake.

I guess if I divide my VPIP from the button by VPIP UTG it should be aroiund 4? Is this vaguely what you were getting at?

44% of hands in position over the last 7k hands

Positional awareness is 3.15, is this supposed to be high or low??

Not sure if I'm doing this correctly:
Saw Flop: 20,852 hands
Relative Position on Flop: 18,300 hands
Played in position: 87.76%

Amt won in position: $ 335.53
Amt won out of position: $ 147.55

amazingly for only playing OOP only 12.24% of the time I made 30% of my money OOP. I think that shows when I am OOP I am only playing the very best hole cards.

Ah!

Positional % over 4k hands
Saw flop all hands = 496
The same stat but IP = 259

52.2%.... is this good? I have no idea!

Is positional awareness as easy as dividing Button VPIP by UTG VPIP?

WVHillBilly, or anyone with a large database. Find a fish that you have at least 300 hands on, and see what their percentage is. Also some numbers for good regs in your database would be good.

Also, when you post numbers, make sure you include whether you're playing 6-max, 4-max, full ring, or heads up. Obviously its easier to be in position when you're on the button more.

Hands seen in position over 6k hands 43%. Positional awareness 3.15. 6-max.

Mine for 100nl: 43%

How to get the numbers in PT3
Filter for stake.
Add filter Misc > Situations > Check Saw Flop
Go to Hands or positions tab and note the number total
Go back to filters, remove saw flop filter
Add filter Misc > Situations > Check In Position on Flop

I tried creating a custom stat for PT3 but I'm just not that smart.

6 max - 65k hands

45% of hands in position
2.22 positional awareness(dont know if I did this one right)

what is this button you speak of an why is it important.
Edit:is position important in checkers because that's all I'm rolled for!

wow i just read eveything on this page and i am more lost then when i started lol..i have no clue about any of this stuff...i hope i learn soon..

Oh yeah and for PT3ers it looks like the positional awareness number the HEM guys are referring to is your BTN PFR / your UTG PFR.

Mine is 2.1.

Also from my db:

Biggest loser in my 100nl db in terms of BB/100 ( >500 hands): 26/10//1 -35BB/100 over almost 800 hands Positional % = 32%

Biggest loser in my 100nl db with greater than 2K hands: 23/11/2 -18.2BB/100 over 2735 hands Positional % = 36%

One of the biggest winners at 100nl overall: 13/11/4 6.5BB/100 over 5700 hands in my db Positional % = 37%

So what does this mean? Big winners play well even OOP???

I have no stats on my HU checkers play but going off selective memory i'm getting kinged 89 percent of the time.Sorry for the derail i think I'm off to the drunk thread.

This month, 42.5% hands in position. FR.

PFPA 4.75, which is actually going down, gradually. In the past it's been as high as 9 for extended periods of time over the last couple of years.

Man, this has been far less informative than I had hoped.

Yeah, I was expecting a pretty direct correlation. I also looked at HUGE WINNER and he's at 40% over 2100 hands in my db.

Its odd, I have also read somewhere that you can be too positionally aware. I believe that profits peak at around 2.8 and then begin to tail off over 3.3ish. If I hadn't just woken up I would probably suggest a reason for this... or at least be able to express the idea I have in my head!

You play full ring though, so I'm sure the percentages will be lower. I'm sure the largest correlation is probably for heads up players, since you have the button for 50% of hands. But yeah, I totally expected more.

Would you rather have the nuts or position? Obviously, you'd rather have the nuts. So forsaking really good hands in early position (or playing utter trash late) just to keep your positional awareness high hurts your win rate.

Not no more.

I played full ring for over a year and then thought I would give HU a go. I spent 2 months creating and developing a winning pre-flop strategy but grew frustrated with the difficulty post flop. Its really hard to think about how the board hits your foe when he is raising an 80% range and he is only like 5% more likey to have an ace than a ten and even 5s make up a good portion of his range!

I always craved action playing FR but with HU its just so hard to have an edge and the swings are massive.

Playing HU I have been forced to consider concepts pretty quickly I probably would have taken another year to discover at FR!

6-max is my home now.

Its a hand reading, post flop game. If you're bad at that, deffo stick to tables where you can be selective & play only strong hands often that don't need a ton of hand reading.

This is just incorrect. HU winrates can be huge because we ALWAYS get to choose our opponents playing HU and we get the fish all to ourselves.

Well perhaps I should have been clearer I was talking about HUSNGs as I think that HU cashgames below 100NL are just ridiculously raked and I am obviously far from rolled or good enough to play those!

Yes we get the fish to ourselves and after 20 hands we can dial in the perfect open raise and call from the BB with just the right range etc.

Thing is though, if you pwn this guy he will never rematch you and hooking him again if he auto sits is a bit of a lottery.

I played proabably 200 of these tournaments and reckon I managed to sit with a the same guy perhaps five times.

Lol, noone ever seems to want to be the first guy to sit at the table!