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: WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THIS HAND?
CALL THE RAISE 2 8.70%
FOLD AND WAIT FOR A BETTER HAND 15 65.22%
RERAISE MINIMUM 1 4.35%
ALL-IN 5 21.74%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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  Poker - WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THIS HAND?
 
  #1  
24-05-2008, 11:39 PM
XPOKERCHIC
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WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THIS HAND?

You're dealt 9h9s in late position at the final table, against solid players. You are just under average chip stack. Blinds are 200 / 400. It has been raised and re-raised to $1200 to you. You have $3300 in your stack. What would you do?
 

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  #2  
28-05-2008, 4:18 AM
moorjames
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So tell us, how did you play the hand, and how did it work out?
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28-05-2008, 5:04 AM
burton_boy
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Well to be honest I think we need more info. The HH at the very least, and also any possible reads you have on people, playing style etc...

But with a raise and reraise it seems to be a flip at best... Also is this limit or 2 min raises?
  #4  
28-05-2008, 5:24 AM
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wow a rr to only $1200 at 200/400? that seems really odd...tough one. Whats the buy in? that's a big factor, but generally seems a good time to fold for me. I'm no nit but...
  #5  
28-05-2008, 8:51 AM
philthy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XPOKERCHIC View Post
You're dealt 9h9s in late position at the final table, against solid players. You are just under average chip stack. Blinds are 200 / 400. It has been raised and re-raised to $1200 to you. You have $3300 in your stack. What would you do?
The reraise doesnt seem right, unless the first raiser was a min raise. So, if thats true then when it gets to you, the pot is at 2600. You're looking at a raise and reraise before you, so in order to call this raise you need to have an extremely strong hand. 99 is not the hand that you want to be calling a raise + reraise with. Not to mention that you dont have the stack to calling the raise with and your option is to shove with your hand because A) You're not getting set odds to call and b) if you call and have to fold on the flop, you're at an even short stack and be forced to play hands. So, your best option is too fold.

Let say you shove PF and only the 2 raisers call your all in (no one tries to isolate). The flop is is 2600 and you raise it to 3300, bringing the pot to 5900. The first raiser needs to call 2500 and is getting 2.3:1 odds to call. The second raiser needs to call 2100 into a pot of 8400, giving them 4:1 odds to call. Even if the first raiser folds, the second raiser is getting about 2.8:1 odds to call your shove, which means they can call with almost any decent hand. AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, JQ possibly, even J10 might call. 88-AA. So, all your shove is doing is sweetening the pot. Had your stack been bigger, you might be able to get away with a squeeze play and isolate, but you just dont have the stack to do.

If you were up against 1 raiser, I think a shove here would be a decent play but not against 2. You are short stack compared to blinds and you have a pretty hand, but I think its best to lay it down and look for a better spot; not necessarily a better hand since you cant wait that long. Better situations might include shoving on the button to steal the blinds, or shoving in SB with any decent hand vs BB. K-high in SB for example. You'll have a better chance going HU vs a random hand than going up agaisnt 2 raisers.

ETA: Im assuming this is NL, so thats what is my response is for. I know nothing about limit.

Last edited by philthy : 28-05-2008 at 8:56 AM.
  #6  
28-05-2008, 12:08 PM
sliver101
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ild fold at best ur in a coin flip but with raise an reraise pock 9s dont look to good for anysort of smart play
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28-05-2008, 12:17 PM
tenbob
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Your likely playing a hand that AT BEST is going to end in a race. I perfer shoving ATC unopened rather than playing here. This is a clear fold, just pound on the blinds when you at least have some FE.
  #8  
28-05-2008, 8:36 PM
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Fold and pat yourself on the back when someone turns up a bigger pp. If they had just limped, or maybe even with just one min raise i'd shove here... but if i were in this position i'd have to feel behind.
  #9  
28-05-2008, 9:17 PM
JoshFourstar
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I go all in

If you let too many people see the flop someone will catch a higher card then a 9, moving all in gets you maybe 1 caller, which means all you have to do is win a rac, 99vs AQ AK alot of times
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28-05-2008, 10:05 PM
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I'd like to see the hand history, but I voted for fold. You have little FE, and it will end up in a race.

The problem I have with the OP is "final table with solid players", yet there is a min raise, and then another min raise? Thats not how solid players act at a final table. Plus, what final table has blinds that low and chip stacks that low if you are about average with 3k? Maybe a 2 table SNG? I dunno.
  #11  
28-05-2008, 10:19 PM
D'wilius
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Originally Posted by tenbob View Post
I perfer shoving ATC unopened rather than playing here.
Agreed, poll shouldn't say "wait for a better hand" , should be "wait for better situation"
lol at 3rd minraise option, guess you needed 4 choices.
  #12  
28-05-2008, 10:34 PM
kidpoker
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great comment about waiting for a better situation. I would rather 55 with one raise and push all in in late position than 99 with two raises. you are probably not raising enough to push anyone out in your situation. SO if both call, you are almost dead. If one folds, then you probably have a race at best.

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Originally Posted by D'wilius View Post
Agreed, poll shouldn't say "wait for a better hand" , should be "wait for better situation"
lol at 3rd minraise option, guess you needed 4 choices.
  #13  
29-05-2008, 12:08 AM
mundybags1
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I put all in but i think the people who voted fold with the right reason and the people who voted all in, both have a good argumentable point. I also think that more info is needed. is this the end of a tournament or middle. is there many to act behind me... anyways the option here with this info is fold or push. you can't call and risk seeing a flop to fold you are already commited. you can't MIN Raise that shouldn't even be an option. good vote if that was you. , anyways just my opinion.

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