Weird KK play?

#1 23rd March 2010, 7:41 PM

I don't understand him limping like he did with KK? Hell I don't understand this whole play all together from both players..

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#2 24th March 2010, 6:45 AM

People like that get the best of me as I try to force them off what seems a weak/drawing hand only to value town my self when they flip something that has me dominated.

Im yet to learn how to play well against weak passive players :<

#3 24th March 2010, 6:51 PM

He probably wanted to get paid off with his hand. It looks like it's aring table so he probably wanted to get as much money as he could with the hand. He would have been screwed if a four came on the river. I question the guy with pocket 4s calling a reraise preflop.

#4 24th March 2010, 7:01 PM

i don't see what is so weird about calling with pocket kings, act weak, get paid, sure you could run in a bigger hand but it was a risk he was willing to take and it worked. i myself would not do it.

#5 24th March 2010, 7:25 PM

It's understandable if it was a ring table. If it was a tournament, I wouldn't do it.

#6 24th March 2010, 7:44 PM

The $2 raise at the beginning might have shown that he was trying to slow play it at first, then he kept building the pot. After the river he was scared of the flush, thats why he checked it, hoping the other guy would bluff the flush. It was a good call on his part with that flush possibility on the board.

#7 24th March 2010, 8:15 PM

He was trying to play the hand like a donk on purpose. Especially not raising preflop he was trying to induce someone elses raise. Just trying to extract value on the end with those small bets and used his opponents aggression against him to get him to push.

#8 24th March 2010, 10:24 PM

The guy probably has a decent read on the table. He limp-raised preflop, which isn't a terribly uncommon move with kings. I just question how late he did it (4th?). So he probably had good reason to believe people behind him were spew-ey preflop. Especially the dude he stacked. He 3-bet preflop with 4's. He had to call the 4-bet for implied (dude made it too small) but his 3-bet seemed a bit too loose.

*I guess technically I might 3-bet with 4's every once in a while. But I have to imagine the guy that did it in that video was a maniac

I thought the guy with kings bet a little too light on the flop though. Probably the turn too, but things would likely have looked different if he'd bet $50 or $60 on the flop anyway.

#9 25th March 2010, 2:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lofwyr

The guy probably has a decent read on the table. He limp-raised preflop, which isn't a terribly uncommon move with kings. I just question how late he did it (4th?). So he probably had good reason to believe people behind him were spew-ey preflop. Especially the dude he stacked. He 3-bet preflop with 4's. He had to call the 4-bet for implied (dude made it too small) but his 3-bet seemed a bit too loose.

*I guess technically I might 3-bet with 4's every once in a while. But I have to imagine the guy that did it in that video was a maniac

I thought the guy with kings bet a little too light on the flop though. Probably the turn too, but things would likely have looked different if he'd bet $50 or $60 on the flop anyway.

That makes sense, welcome to the forums.

#10 25th March 2010, 5:40 AM

Meh, without knowing the specific dynamics in the game, I hate the way he played his hand. 3betting the 44 hand over limpers is standard, calling the 4bet isn't, but the 44 player may be trying to play big pots in position w a player he considers a fish. Based on the open limp and the betsizing postflop, and what appears to be poor handreading, I'd certainly be trying to play pots w this guy (and I sympathize w the river shove), but without knowing the history/table dynamics...

#11 25th March 2010, 6:16 AM

My guess would be that the BTN is a huge aggrotard and is basically raising ATC there. Guy with KK limps to induce a raise. Disagree with Sly. 3betting 44 on the BTN is not standard with a limp and raise in front of you. Without specific reads (where is KD these days btw) I'd actually say I'm never 3betting 44 in that spot.

#12 26th March 2010, 12:25 AM

I don't mind the limp if he thinks there is a good chance he'll get a raiser after him that he can go over. I hate the tiny flop and turn bets. Those are just asking for toruble. It worked out well this time but he very possibly could have been making it cheap for a flush draw and/or an A to call him down.

#13 26th March 2010, 12:42 AM

A trap he set for a very aggressive player. Limping in with Kings I wouldn't recommend it unless you knew you was going to get paid off as he did.

#14 26th March 2010, 9:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lofwyr

The guy probably has a decent read on the table. He limp-raised preflop, which isn't a terribly uncommon move with kings. I just question how late he did it (4th?). So he probably had good reason to believe people behind him were spew-ey preflop. Especially the dude he stacked. He 3-bet preflop with 4's. He had to call the 4-bet for implied (dude made it too small) but his 3-bet seemed a bit too loose.

*I guess technically I might 3-bet with 4's every once in a while. But I have to imagine the guy that did it in that video was a maniac

I thought the guy with kings bet a little too light on the flop though. Probably the turn too, but things would likely have looked different if he'd bet $50 or $60 on the flop anyway.

Nice call. I think you nailed it-this is exactly what I was thinking. And Welcome to CC.

#15 12th May 2010, 5:27 AM

I was shocked that the flop was not 44k

#16 14th May 2010, 2:38 AM

the guy with KK, can't be scared from the flush.. Basically, the guy who called him was guaranteed to have pocket pair lower than his, because AA would raise him preflop. The guy with the 44 obviously does not have a set, because he would raise at some point flop or turn. River shove is terrible and looks bluffy... KK could have folded if the bet was 1/2 pot...

#17 14th May 2010, 11:23 AM

I could see this done in SH, in FR that's sick.

#18 15th May 2010, 9:26 AM

There are a lot of different ways to win a hand, regardless of your hole cards. He ended up in the right place without sucking out to win. I question the play of the other guy with the pocket 4's though.

#19 15th May 2010, 9:41 AM

One thing lacking here is context. Maybe its an aggro table where raises are common preflop and he limped in

#20 15th May 2010, 9:47 AM

I'd be more of the opinion he bet small to get max value - reminds me a lot of 2/5NL when donks bet tiny amounts in big pots after 3/4 bets pre-flop because they know that they probably have you beat and the last thing they want you to do is fold...

#21 15th May 2010, 12:51 PM

I dont think this is weird KK play, I am guilty of trying this, sometimes with aces. Getting to see a flop without an ace is nice, and when somebody raises you can always raise them back or call and let them lead out again.

You do throw the hand away sometimes, but hopefully when youre disguised you make all of the other players chips enough to offset your losses.

#22 20th May 2010, 12:43 AM

Well it wasnt a weird play first of all. Thats a pretty standard play in ring games. The guy should have known he had big PP if he limped and then pull a re re raise. So I could understand a call the reraise to see a flop to see if you get trips... but after that i would devinatly not bluff my chips away. Espically after he made a little bit bigger of a bet after turn he went 20 then to 30 saying i want more money out of this guy. Thats just my thinkin though.

#23 20th May 2010, 12:56 AM

i think he played it pretty well.... my question is what the hell was that other guy doing???? thats alot of money to put on the line for pocket 4's lol

#24 20th May 2010, 6:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norriscjn

Well it wasnt a weird play first of all. Thats a pretty standard play in ring games. The guy should have known he had big PP if he limped and then pull a re re raise. So I could understand a call the reraise to see a flop to see if you get trips... but after that i would devinatly not bluff my chips away. Espically after he made a little bit bigger of a bet after turn he went 20 then to 30 saying i want more money out of this guy. Thats just my thinkin though.

Limping in with kings is not standard in any game that I know of.

#25 22nd May 2010, 3:13 AM

Pretty aggressive river bet. Pocket 4's and the big bet......what's up!

#26 22nd May 2010, 9:55 AM

I believe that a player with the Kings should have been more aggressive play post flop.

#27 22nd May 2010, 2:07 PM

If it is a super aggressive table I can see the case for the preflop play/ Postflop however, the KK is just making to small of bets with the flush draw on flop and the flush draw and straight draw on the turn.

#28 26th May 2010, 7:10 PM

A while back I posted a hand history of a similar hand, although I didn't lose anywhere near that much:

http://www.cardschat.com/f50/10-nl-h...x-tptk-162041/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f50/10-nl-he-6-max-tptk-162041/)

Looking back, it still seems that the villain was too risky playing the way he played. I do agree with others saying that the player had a very good read on the table. Still, an A on the river and I don't see how he can't lay his hand down.

#29 26th May 2010, 7:38 PM

It all depends on the table and the reads he had on people. It might be a phenomenon more prevalent at micro stakes where I play, but it's fairly common to have maniacs that will fold to any opening bet, but will throw huge raises with ATC at unraised pots.

If anything, it's the guy with the 44 that I'm looking at. If I'm holding pocket 4's and someone 3-bets me pre-flop and by the river there's 3 overcards, a potential straight and a potential flush on the board, not to mention the pocket pair the 3-better might have...am I shoving? Heck no.

But maybe I'm too conservative.

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