Video: 30min 5nl 6max session - please comment

I made a video earlier 4 tabling 6max 5nl on pokerstars. I'd really appreciate any feedback you can give me. On my play, on my approach, anything you notice that seems odd or that I'm missing. Anything!

It's only 30mins, split into 2 youtube videos because it only allows me to upload up to 15mins each. They're recorded in HD, so if you full screen them, the figures should be clear enough to read.

6max 5nl 4 tabling session 1/2

6max 5nl 4 tabling session 2/2

Thats a weird french accent!

Will watch this tomorrow when I'm at work as i'm online with my mobile right now and its quite laggy.

just watched the 1st vid. Just seems as if you play your flush draws to passively so its obvious what you have so if you do hit your probably not going to get paid of.

And the ak of spades hand where you flopd 4 to a flush i think you have to raise that flop with 2 overs and a flush draw there and be happy to get it in and when he checked the turn to you i think the pot sized bet is too much a 30c bet instead of a 50c would be better as hes still gooing to fold if he has nothing and if he does call and you miss river its essentially 20c you could have saved yourself which all adds to your winrate.

also the a8 clubs i would call the river i see ak aq raising you there as it looks like you a raising a busted flush.

Disclaimer: I don't play 6max and don't play these stakes. These are just my thoughts as I watch the video

AK raise donk bet. You're favourite against an overpair. I'd bet about 70% on turn. If he's folding to pot he'll fold to 70%. Save the extra chips and keep the pot smaller so you can maybe bluff a bit smaller on the river.

A8s middle pair w/ nut flush draw. Probably donk or c/r. Don't c/c it's not a great way to play a hand so strong as this. Semi-bluff raising is a lot better IMO as you'll get fold equity, build the pot for when you hit and (not really needed, but good practice) balance your range.

QQ raise bigger with one person already posting BB OOP (I think if you saw this you would maybe you missed it).
Your bet sizing looks solid pre flop. On the flop is good too for the most part.
Watch back HH's if you can. For example the pot which was 3-bet and you had 6's was interesting. You can see he raised A8o and then called a three bet and a call . He then called down with top pair (I think he rivered a straight or something). Thats really good information for your notes on the player. He also called a 3-bet with KK instead of 4-betting. Good information IMO. Flat called with set of kings on the flop then bet about half pot on each street. Take a note of that as he might play a hand similarly later on which you can probably put him on a stronger hand.

Love your comments, lol. Sounds like me when I play With the QQ's where you hit a set probably take a little longer to bet. Shoving in bet after bet like 3/4 pot size looks really strong IMO. Atleast tank a little to show the ace scared you and he could maybe try rep it.
With aces probably 3-bet a bit bigger to like 40-45. Try to do it 3x the original raise however strong your hand is. If people min-raise then show a strong hand that goes straight in my notes for them. It's a massive sign of strength (if you've seen then do it before) and people rarely balance with it. If he calls pre the pot is 80 and then you can do a small c-bet with the pot being big enough to jam the turn. Try and plan ahead each street with the aim of getting his stack is as quick as possible, but with smaller bet in relation to the pot.
When you said the table is terrible you can move to a seat just three to your left. The LAG will be on your right and NIT on your left which is what you want.

Would gladly watch another video. Made me laugh and hopefully I learnt a bit

Agree with that bit.

When you're raising a limper raise more than 3bb's, add a bb for each limper.
Dunno what that flat with A5s against the UTG opener at around 7mins was about, either 3bet or fold but it's not really strong enough to flat with. Stop min-raising it's generally terrible especially at micros. Min raising that guy who has 5 bb's with A4s is wtf.

You need to articulate your thought processes more than you do right now. Have real reasons to bet and think about ranges.

Making assumptions about someones 3bet range after 17 hands is also pretty useless. How many times have you had 3 or 4 premium hands in the first 20 hands at a table, it happens. If you see a showdown then that's different.

K8s is a great hand to open on the BTN vs anyone, nits, TAGs and LAGs. Nit's fold, You can play a good hand IP against TAGs and you'll be able to double barrel quite a few turns with this type of hand.

The A8s hand was played terribly, I'm ch/raising the flop most of the time and after the river it's a bet/call against pretty much all villains.

55 was a good fold, they don't have enough behind to create the implied odds.

The KK hand you started to articulate yor thoughts, try doing that during the actual hand instead of after.


I only watched the first half but there's a few problems there already. gl.

Instead of so many 3x and 3.5x and so on, use 2.5x (for when you raise from the button or the SB), 3x and pot. Pot = 3.5 + one BB for every limper.

And yeah, the K8s hand you should play all day OTB, especially vs nits and TAGs.

Oh, and, please remove that horrible sound when you start timing out. It just blows my head apart. Try changing it with the one from FT, it's much more pleasing.

this. i only watched 1st half as well but will watch 2nd tmro. the A5s call pre vs UTG is def spew and even imo i believe you called AQo OOP vs 3bet i also would tend to get away from. IP maybe calling depending on there post flop play

like chip said the K8s is a fantastic hand to stl wiith and when u started questioning about opening it OTB had me thinking wat??

A8s hand im c/r that flop all the time

overall nice vid and gl. hopefully more people post a vid like this

Wow, thanks a lot guys for watching and for your input, I'll go back and look over them again to see how your comments fit into how I played. I remember that A8s hand, and I also need to seriously look into changing some of my terrible calls into 3bet/folds. Thanks again.

Here's that A8s hand. Consensus is to c/r the flop, my question is, do I min c/r or do I raise by more?

Given the hand played out the way it did, should I call the river?

Villain stats over 1.3k hands: 17/13/3 WTSD 27 W$SD 51.

Hero (BB) ($6.19)
UTG ($5.27)
MP ($5)
CO ($4.82)
Button ($6.62)
SB ($14.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 8
1 fold, MP bets $0.15, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 9, 8, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.76) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.54, Hero calls $0.54

River: ($1.84) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, MP raises $3, Hero folds

Total pot: $4.24

Results:
MP didn't show
Outcome: MP won $5.77

You played that hand extremely passively. You should try and get it in on the flop and be more than happy with it.

Why did you fold that river? What range are you putting him on? Remeber, he's a nit raising from MP.

And, btw, his WTSD and W$SD stats are absolutely normal, IMO. These are not stats of someone who only goes to showdown with monsters. I think you got somewhat confused.

Is this usually the case when we have nut flush draw? Or is there something else you're taking into consideration here?

I think I somewhat agree!

Never min check-raise. It's terrible and achieves nothing. The main reason for c/ring is for fold equity and min raising won't give you any. He's gonna have a hard time to continue with a lot of his range once you do this. If you c/c you have no idea if he's double barreling, betting for value and you basically haven't narrowed his range down atall. It's a great hand to c/r because you have so many outs. Assuming he doesn't have a set you can say your 8, ace or flush will give you the winning hand, so you got about 12 outs which makes you a coinflip against an overpair right now.
So raise to like $0.60.

Not sure about the river call tbh i'm having a hard time putting him on a hand that we beat. Possibly lower two pairs like 89 but I think any ace like AK would have checked back the turn and then called on the river. Possibly an overpair which he has to turn into a bluff on the river to win.
A9 suits his line pretty well. Raising pre then hitting tptk, betting for value, raising with two pair OTR but feedback would be good from better players on this.

Any more vids in the pipeline?

Yeah, makes sense, so in your opinion would I be happy to call a shove, or shove a reraise?

I will definitely do another one when I move up to 10nl - at the moment I'm hovering between 5nl and 10nl in a taking shots kinda way.

Just seen this will watch soon, looks like its a good idea to get discussions going and stuff, maybe we should all take turns at doing something like this and getting comments from each other?

Can i ask what software you use, and is there any cheap/free recording software that wont end up making a 30 minute video like 10 gigs in size or something horrendous?

Yeah, I was thinking about this last night. Since the FR guys have their Micro-Stakes FR Study Group thread, why shouldn't we have one for 6-max?

I'd be really great and the most important thing is we will receive on our play from players much better than us. Which is always pretty cool. Because when we post a hand in the HA section, we know we had trouble with it. But when you post a whole session, people more experienced than you will notice things that you don't.

Definitely a good idea especially because when I post problems, they're only the ones I see.

Camtasia, it can produce any size you like.

Beat me to it! 100% agree.

Yeah im a FR player and i know the FR group just kinda died out quickly, but regardless of FR or 6max surely all of us in the micros will learn from watching and commenting on either game format? Like once someone makes a 30 min video everyone interested could write out a page of comments and questions, would get lots of discussions going and seems like a great way to learn imo.

Just googled camtasia, 30 day free trial sounds cool, what about when it runs out? is it realllly over 230 pounds?

I'll look at the vids later (at work now) - subscribed.

Yeah, sounds good. We can take turns or something and everyone who can should make a vid of his play. That way we all improve as players.

Haven't you heard of the pirate bay? You westerners sometimes really surprise me.

I have lol

Theres another one that I have heard of, cant remember the name and wouldnt link to it obv but i would say that its easily the best poker torrents site out there

You have a PM

You're talking about Best Poker Torrents, right? 'Cause if you're not then I'd definitely like you to send me a link to that site. BPT is the best poker torrent site, IMO.

@Cafeman , you are a hero!!!

Haha, i'd seriously forgot about torrents in general as my uni would go ape shit if i used their connection to download torrents (good job im home for april)

BPT sounds intriguing though why has noone ever told me about that

Right just watched the first part of the video, i like the set up and will probs be doing the 4 tables similar when i make a video myself.

So a lot has already been said but just some little things to think about maybe;

you mention someone you have 49 hands on, has a fold to cbet of 100%. this is all good thinking when you're planning what to do, but with a small sample just remember - that guy could of folded 1/1 to c bets which wouldnt really tell us that much but still appear as 100% fold to cbet so just be cautious with stats and small samples.

Remember to note the big fish incase you see them again like the guy who shoved KJ when he was short stacked.

You mention one of your tables being really tight, and the two guys to your right if i read the hud properly didnt look like fish at all, so probably should of moved tables then and there until there were some fish to your right, maybe you just stayed for the purpose of the video but just something to keep looking for every so often whilst playing.

Dont forget to add a bb when theres limpers behind you, if theres a few limpers or you know they will call a 7bb raise for example then there's nothing wrong with adding more than the standard amount either, you really want to play HU as often as possible so size your bets to get the most value whilst still keeping the pot HU.

Enjoyed the first half will watch the second soon and see if anything obvious that hasnt been said comes up, well done and gl.

p.s. , what does the yellow colour coding mean? Is this just that you've played them before?

Maybe you should colour code the loose players and the tight players like you colour the nits red so when you're in the lobby you can see quickly the composition of the tables and choose accordingly?

I made a video today so it will be uploaded some time today. Imo blueberry Flashback is the best software I've seen. It has really good quality recording software, in built sound recorder and review/editor where you can edit sound and video separate and add text and things. Completely free too.

Really like this point of view actually and you're probably right. Its just the way the hand was played on previous streets that led to a really tricky spot on the river.

Good points acky. I normally raise up an extra bb, not sure why I didn't in the first video, I think in the second I did it a couple of times. I must have missed it in the first one.

I do colour loose bad as green, loose/tricky winners as turquoise, and then nits as red and winning regs as violet. So normally I want green and turquoise to my right and red to my left and violet either left or opposite.

Yellow is just the default for a note, so yeah it just means I've got hands on them.

Cool!

Yep, just this tip alone has made it worthwhile making this video.

However, no one answered my question. If I c/r and he reraises or shoves, do I shove or call a shove?

good input


Looking forward to it. Hopefully it's up when I get back from the gym.

Tried my hand at some 6max micro today, up $6 (2NL) in thirty mins and hit NINE out of a possible (~) TEN sets. That's running good.

I'm getting it in in this spot, calling a shove but shoving myself is a ton better if we have the chance as we then generate fold equity too.

Against his widest range I believe he's calling shoves/shoving with:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42,570 games 0.001 secs 42,570,000 games/sec

Board: 9c 8s 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.803% 44.80% 00.00% 19071 1.50 { Ac8c }
Hand 1: 55.197% 55.19% 00.00% 23496 1.50 { 88+, 33, A9s, A9o }

We have 45% equity but obviously we're folding out a lot of his range with the c/r (folding all his AK/AQ PP's etc.) which with the dead money (money already in the pot) makes it +EV.

I actually think the range he gets in OTF is more like:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

33,660 games 0.001 secs 33,660,000 games/sec

Board: 9c 8s 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.299% 45.29% 00.00% 15246 1.50 { Ac8c }
Hand 1: 54.701% 54.70% 00.00% 18411 1.50 { 88+, 33 }

as A9 is borderline in his range and if it is he's probably calling a ch/r with it rather than shoving.

Overall I think it's +EV to shove/call a shove.

Just watched the first 10 seconds of the second video and seen that you did move off that rubbish table, maybe i should watch both parts before i comment from here on

Thanks for the analysis Chippy, really useful for me that.

Im never flagging a8s there. At least 3bet pre but I prob fold