Unofficial Official 2011 PLO Cash Game Thread

#1 27th December 2010, 11:09 PM

Yes it is the 27th December but I'm starting this early so that it is not forgotten till mid March. Let us lay down some starter rules for this thread.

1) Strictly PLO cash games. Usually we could separate this based on limit but seeing as every PLO player here plays under 25PLO there is no need for multiple threads.

2) Everything is allowed. Post bad beats, interesting hands, graphs, theory, challenges, whatever. The point is, we need to get some interest going in the game. If it happens that people post more hands here than in the HA section, well, I don't care, because it is not like people actually post PLO hands on this site.

3) If you want to organize sweat sessions or hand reviews, videos, those posts go in here as well. We can set up monthly/ weekly PLO games here. Get everybody together.

4) This is an everything thread, low content, intelligent content, every kind of content relating to PLO. We just need it to keep this thread alive and build the PLO community.

5) If you are learning PLO for the first time, post here. People will help you. Anything related to beginners PLO can be answered very easily and most people are willing to help.

I'm willing to review hand histories for anybody as long as I have time and that there are not more than 100 hands in the document. Doesn't have to be in any kind of format although I would prefer a notepad doc just for simplicity sake.

Let's play some PLO.

#2 28th December 2010, 10:33 PM

Nobody playing PLO I see?

#3 28th December 2010, 11:05 PM

i am but its above 25plo so i feel offended

#4 28th December 2010, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanquish

i am but its above 25plo so i feel offended

Its ok dude, one of my friends plays above 25PLO and he is ok with me saying those kinds of things.

#5 29th December 2010, 12:01 AM

posting to subscribe...sounds like a good idea marginal

#6 29th December 2010, 12:03 AM

In on 1st page.

I'll actually try to participate this time.

#7 29th December 2010, 12:13 AM

Oh and I'm very serious, if you post a session, I will go over the hands and try my best to give you good advice. I just want people to play more poker. I really want to get people involved and get people playing the game.

#8 29th December 2010, 9:14 AM

Hey,

I am mostly playing 5 tables of 6max NL on ipoker atm but i usually fire up like 2 PLO tables and 3 NL if there's not much on, i seem to do fine at 2+5 PLO but i feel like i'm being a bit Loose-Passive sometimes (and so, will become v.exploitable if i moved higher), not at my computer right now but my stats are something like 40/25 lol

I think the hardest thing that ive found with PLO is hand reading, im not a jedi at it playing NLHE but i can at least get a half decent idea of the kinda hand they have, PLO i just havent got the slightest clue what theyre holding, specially at the 2PLO level as people literally play ANY 4 cards lol

Anyways, i'll try and join in here and consistently play at least 1 PLO table per session as i do enjoy it and its soft as shit at the micros so is a good way for me to pad the roll.

#9 29th December 2010, 1:53 PM

I'm probably the worst PLO player ever. In NLHE I am the most LAG, pressure putting player you'll see. (Probably not, but it's not too far off) I feel so passive in PLO. I never really feel comfortable with hands. I fold a ton of hands pre-flop. Sometimes I wonder what I'm even looking for. I'm not sure, if I'm asking a question as much as just wondering all the strategy behind the game. I know that probably is impossible for you to tell me, but maybe you can point me in some right direction.

#10 31st December 2010, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangepeeleo

Hey,

I am mostly playing 5 tables of 6max NL on ipoker atm but i usually fire up like 2 PLO tables and 3 NL if there's not much on, i seem to do fine at 2+5 PLO but i feel like i'm being a bit Loose-Passive sometimes (and so, will become v.exploitable if i moved higher), not at my computer right now but my stats are something like 40/25 lol

I think the hardest thing that ive found with PLO is hand reading, im not a jedi at it playing NLHE but i can at least get a half decent idea of the kinda hand they have, PLO i just havent got the slightest clue what theyre holding, specially at the 2PLO level as people literally play ANY 4 cards lol

Anyways, i'll try and join in here and consistently play at least 1 PLO table per session as i do enjoy it and its soft as shit at the micros so is a good way for me to pad the roll.

While I do believe hand reading is a very difficult thing for people to grasp at PLO, it really is no different than that in holdem. It's just instead of people betting top pair for value, they bet top set. Bluffs are still bluffs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimlyGrim

I'm probably the worst PLO player ever. In NLHE I am the most LAG, pressure putting player you'll see. (Probably not, but it's not too far off) I feel so passive in PLO. I never really feel comfortable with hands. I fold a ton of hands pre-flop. Sometimes I wonder what I'm even looking for. I'm not sure, if I'm asking a question as much as just wondering all the strategy behind the game. I know that probably is impossible for you to tell me, but maybe you can point me in some right direction.

The first thing people get wrong is that they feel they must play more hands in PLO. While naturally with 4 cards your preflop range will widen, you don't need to all of a sudden start playing 40/30. A solid 25/17 is still very profitable, I mean you probably lose a little bit value with some hands but just play what you are comfortable with. As you play more and understand what is strong, you can widen your range and play more hands. And yes, it is not going to be easy to breakdown the entire game for you but if you pin point some areas that you think you are lacking in, I will be glad to help.

#11 3rd January 2011, 8:11 PM

Okay, I dont play omaha too much online, pretty much never to be honest, so most of my expierience is in home games....which is nothing like online omaha haha

so before i get ripped apart for being a fish, im admitting to being one lol so take it easy on me here

I'm not sure if I played this right? I thought he could be holding anything from overpairs (qq, kk) or maybe he flopped trip jacks? but as played, i dont think he has a jack here

I figured, if he has an overpair, I'm dominating and if he has a jack, im in trouble, with the 2 outer for the ace or backdoor flush

thanks in advance, and im still learning omaha

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($5)
Hero (MP) ($4.62)
Button ($3.62)
SB ($14.99)
BB ($3.74)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 4

, K

, A

1 fold, Hero bets $0.15, Button calls $0.15, SB raises to $0.65, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50
Flop: ($2) J

, J

, 7

(3 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.97 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls $2.97
Turn: ($9.94) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($9.94) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $9.94 | Rake: $0.66

#12 3rd January 2011, 8:21 PM

just reraise pre

#13 3rd January 2011, 8:30 PM

even w/out a suited ace? or does that not matter as much?

#14 3rd January 2011, 8:37 PM

still fine imo, you'll get it in against KKxx a lot

#15 3rd January 2011, 8:44 PM

That hand actually illustrates lots of things I wonder about PLO. People don't tend to 3 bet much. (At least that's what it feels like. Most people want to see flops) Wouldn't the 4 bet pretty much say, "I have AA's". Wouldn't we be in a pretty bad spot with this hand against AA's vs. AA's, since he might have our flush covered, and maybe a different flush draw. I guess we 4 bet and just really hope he has KK's? We have one K, so I'm not sure how that plays into it either!!!!!

#16 3rd January 2011, 8:59 PM

it doesn't matter that our 4b says "i have AAxx", you'd be getting enough of your stack in preflop to get it in unexploitably on any board (and avoid making a potentially costly mistake postflop, such as folding incorrectly or stacking off incorrectly etc)

edit: also a lot of people will 3b with AKQT-type hands and will refuse to fold to 4bets (and will even feel priced in if it ends up getting shoved in front of them preflop)

#17 3rd January 2011, 9:24 PM

If you 4 bet preflop, it would be to 2.15 which means that no matter what happens after that, you get the money in on the flop and it is ok. Also, you have no reason to say that you dont think he has a J. Oh and what Vanq said.

#18 3rd January 2011, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z0d14c16

Why cant you have it no limit for once? That would be cool to see happen. Message me if you turn out to do that cause id love to join in on that. Thats my style right there.

it would make the game unplayable

#19 3rd January 2011, 11:50 PM

well he did flip over kkxx and i scooped, but i was just wondering....still learning omaha, thanks for the advice vanq

#20 3rd January 2011, 11:51 PM

#21 4th January 2011, 2:05 AM

I'm sad, no PLO/8. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to play a little PLO strraight. And zOd, I play NLO. No wussies in that game.

#22 4th January 2011, 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbasbestbabe

I'm sad, no PLO/8. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to play a little PLO strraight. And zOd, I play NLO. No wussies in that game.

No, not no wussies in NLO, what you have is people that do not understand what they are doing or how to play PLO.

#23 4th January 2011, 6:15 PM

Just so I can make a contribution to the thread. Its a shallow 20-50 BB table. Started with max buyin and couldnt get anything going. Feel free to comment on these two hands. Only two hands where I won on this table. I dont have a HUD but I can tell u in the first hand, it was just me and sb. He was raising absolutely every hand. Dont know why I called pre but he checked it down and let me catch the nuts..

PokerStars Game #55355085803: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2011/01/04 13:05:54 ET
Table 'Hind III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: laimun552 ($18.31 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerchild69 ($11.92 in chips)
Seat 3: stu_dying24 ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 4: mark1408 ($17.76 in chips)
Seat 6: GregGr ($3.67 in chips)
laimun552: posts small blind $0.10
pokerchild69: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pokerchild69 [Jc Ts 2d 8h]
Soonline joins the table at seat #5
stu_dying24: folds
mark1408: folds
GregGr: folds
laimun552: raises $0.50 to $0.75
pokerchild69: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ad 5c]
laimun552: checks
pokerchild69: checks
*** TURN *** [Kc Ad 5c] 7♥
laimun552: checks
pokerchild69: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc Ad 5c 7h] Q♠
laimun552: checks
pokerchild69: bets $1.43
laimun552: raises $4.29 to $5.72
pokerchild69: raises $5.45 to $11.17 and is all-in
laimun552: calls $5.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerchild69: shows [Jc Ts 2d 8h] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
laimun552: shows [Qc 7c Ac 3d] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
pokerchild69 collected $22.66 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.84 | Rake $1.18
Board [Kc Ad 5c 7h Qs]
Seat 1: laimun552 (small blind) showed [Qc 7c Ac 3d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: pokerchild69 (big blind) showed [Jc Ts 2d 8h] and won ($22.66) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: stu_dying24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mark1408 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: GregGr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #55355296058: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2011/01/04 13:09:44 ET
Table 'Hind III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: laimun552 ($6.49 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerchild69 ($22.31 in chips)
Seat 4: mark1408 ($17.86 in chips)
Seat 5: Soonline ($7.50 in chips)
Seat 6: GregGr ($4.69 in chips)
Soonline: posts small blind $0.10
GregGr: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pokerchild69 [Ks Kc 5c 3s]
laimun552: calls $0.25
pokerchild69: calls $0.25
mark1408: folds
Soonline: folds
GregGr: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh Tc 4d]
GregGr: bets $0.75
laimun552: calls $0.75
pokerchild69: raises $3.06 to $3.81
GregGr: raises $0.63 to $4.44 and is all-in
laimun552: calls $3.69
pokerchild69: calls $0.63
*** TURN *** [Kh Tc 4d] 8♣
laimun552: bets $0.25
pokerchild69: raises $1.75 to $2
laimun552: calls $1.55 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.20) returned to pokerchild69
*** RIVER *** [Kh Tc 4d 8c] A♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
laimun552: shows [6h 2h 9d 9c] (a pair of Nines)
pokerchild69: shows [Ks Kc 5c 3s] (a flush, Ace high)
pokerchild69 collected $3.45 from side pot
GregGr: shows [Td Ts Ad 8h] (three of a kind, Tens)
pokerchild69 collected $13.47 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.77 Main pot $13.47. Side pot $3.45. | Rake $0.85
Board [Kh Tc 4d 8c Ac]
Seat 1: laimun552 showed [6h 2h 9d 9c] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: pokerchild69 showed [Ks Kc 5c 3s] and won ($16.92) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: mark1408 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Soonline (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: GregGr (big blind) showed [Td Ts Ad 8h] and lost with three of a kind, Tens

#24 4th January 2011, 6:23 PM

Wont convert the hands and I know text like this makes ppls eyes bleed. Maybe someone can fix them?

#25 4th January 2011, 7:27 PM

Played some PLO for real money for the first time last night.

Turns out the lowest you can play at Partypoker is 25PLO (I have a small bankroll on there that I use to just goof around when I'm drunk, on tilt or both).

I lost 2BI over 215 hands, playing on 2 tables, one that looked pretty soft, another that had a couple of guys that looked like they knew what they were doing.

Not sure if I'm going to be able to keep on playing PLO since 25PLO is too high for my PP roll and I'm not sure I'm willing to use up my more serious but not larger PS roll on learning it, it's fun to play something different from time to time though, just can't decide ...

#26 4th January 2011, 8:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC69

Just so I can make a contribution to the thread. Its a shallow 20-50 BB table. Started with max buyin and couldnt get anything going. Feel free to comment on these two hands. Only two hands where I won on this table. I dont have a HUD but I can tell u in the first hand, it was just me and sb. He was raising absolutely every hand. Dont know why I called pre but he checked it down and let me catch the nuts..

PokerStars Game #55355085803: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2011/01/04 13:05:54 ET
Table 'Hind III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: laimun552 ($18.31 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerchild69 ($11.92 in chips)
Seat 3: stu_dying24 ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 4: mark1408 ($17.76 in chips)
Seat 6: GregGr ($3.67 in chips)
laimun552: posts small blind $0.10
pokerchild69: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pokerchild69 [Jc Ts 2d 8h]
Soonline joins the table at seat #5
stu_dying24: folds
mark1408: folds
GregGr: folds
laimun552: raises $0.50 to $0.75
pokerchild69: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ad 5c]
laimun552: checks
pokerchild69: checks
*** TURN *** [Kc Ad 5c] 7♥
laimun552: checks
pokerchild69: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc Ad 5c 7h] Q♠
laimun552: checks
pokerchild69: bets $1.43
laimun552: raises $4.29 to $5.72
pokerchild69: raises $5.45 to $11.17 and is all-in
laimun552: calls $5.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pokerchild69: shows [Jc Ts 2d 8h] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
laimun552: shows [Qc 7c Ac 3d] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
pokerchild69 collected $22.66 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.84 | Rake $1.18
Board [Kc Ad 5c 7h Qs]
Seat 1: laimun552 (small blind) showed [Qc 7c Ac 3d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: pokerchild69 (big blind) showed [Jc Ts 2d 8h] and won ($22.66) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: stu_dying24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mark1408 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: GregGr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #55355296058: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2011/01/04 13:09:44 ET
Table 'Hind III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: laimun552 ($6.49 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerchild69 ($22.31 in chips)
Seat 4: mark1408 ($17.86 in chips)
Seat 5: Soonline ($7.50 in chips)
Seat 6: GregGr ($4.69 in chips)
Soonline: posts small blind $0.10
GregGr: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pokerchild69 [Ks Kc 5c 3s]
laimun552: calls $0.25
pokerchild69: calls $0.25
mark1408: folds
Soonline: folds
GregGr: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh Tc 4d]
GregGr: bets $0.75
laimun552: calls $0.75
pokerchild69: raises $3.06 to $3.81
GregGr: raises $0.63 to $4.44 and is all-in
laimun552: calls $3.69
pokerchild69: calls $0.63
*** TURN *** [Kh Tc 4d] 8♣
laimun552: bets $0.25
pokerchild69: raises $1.75 to $2
laimun552: calls $1.55 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.20) returned to pokerchild69
*** RIVER *** [Kh Tc 4d 8c] A♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
laimun552: shows [6h 2h 9d 9c] (a pair of Nines)
pokerchild69: shows [Ks Kc 5c 3s] (a flush, Ace high)
pokerchild69 collected $3.45 from side pot
GregGr: shows [Td Ts Ad 8h] (three of a kind, Tens)
pokerchild69 collected $13.47 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.77 Main pot $13.47. Side pot $3.45. | Rake $0.85
Board [Kh Tc 4d 8c Ac]
Seat 1: laimun552 showed [6h 2h 9d 9c] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: pokerchild69 showed [Ks Kc 5c 3s] and won ($16.92) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: mark1408 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Soonline (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: GregGr (big blind) showed [Td Ts Ad 8h] and lost with three of a kind, Tens

The only issues I have with both hands is preflop play, first hand it is an obv fold while the second hand is an obv raise. Nothing notable about postflop, super standard.

#27 4th January 2011, 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrung24

Played some PLO for real money for the first time last night.

Turns out the lowest you can play at Partypoker is 25PLO (I have a small bankroll on there that I use to just goof around when I'm drunk, on tilt or both).

I lost 2BI over 215 hands, playing on 2 tables, one that looked pretty soft, another that had a couple of guys that looked like they knew what they were doing.

Not sure if I'm going to be able to keep on playing PLO since 25PLO is too high for my PP roll and I'm not sure I'm willing to use up my more serious but not larger PS roll on learning it, it's fun to play something different from time to time though, just can't decide ...

Yeah, its not a good idea to start at that level where the amount lost can be more substantial.

#28 4th January 2011, 9:48 PM

I know it was super standard. I just wanted to be one of the cool kids to post in this thread. Thought posting two hands was better then

Hey guyz. I like to play the omahz tooo

#29 4th January 2011, 9:50 PM

The cool kids don't play omaha. They play no limit holdem

#30 4th January 2011, 9:52 PM

not where I come from....But I from the mean streets of Massachusetts.

#31 4th January 2011, 9:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC69

not where I come from....But I from the mean streets of Massachusetts.

Tough break there..

#32 4th January 2011, 10:15 PM

Anyone have thoughts on Omaha hi lo?

#33 4th January 2011, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC69

Anyone have thoughts on Omaha hi lo?

Not here, Hi/lo is not my game. I don't have enough of an idea of what is good and what is not to give a good opinion.

#34 4th January 2011, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PC69

Anyone have thoughts on Omaha hi lo?

Love it and hate it. Spend most of my time playing at strs NLO/8 knockout STTs. Find that if you just play super premium hands you wind up in the money easily. And I'm talking about playing only maybe 5-6 hands until the final table.

#35 11th December 2011, 4:09 PM

I still feel like I play way too tight. The only thing I have going for me is I raise a lot on the BTN. Possible for someone to post a pre-flop what hands to see flops with?

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